BB WEIGHTS

[Sindagon]

Hi,

I wondered what bb weights you guys use on your assault rifles. I have a Classic Army M15A4 Carbine and I initially started out using 0.2g bbs. With the 0.2s I managed to zero my G&P aimpoint and my iron sights perfectly. Then I switched to 0.23 and obviously my zeroing was off but what annoys me is that I haven't managed to get such an accurate zeroing as before. Any tips out there? Do you think I sould switch back to 0.2g?

Thanks in advance,
Sindagon

[rexdlu]

Hey there Sin, if you do a search on BB's and BB weights, there's quite a few useful threads worth reading, it may answer your questions as there are more then just one answer!

Cheers

[Scarecrow]

Originally Posted by black nos

these BBs seem like a great price for good quality BBs... are the .2, .25, .28, and .3 all 6mm BBs? thanks alot

Welcome to the baptism of sarcasm that is ASC. Don't worry about the flamers, too much Rockband in mum's basement and not enough sex... (or perhaps any sex at all other than the 5 digit twins)

Yes, the BB Bastard product is all 6mm, actually the real diameter is slightly different, but they are made for 6mm AEG guns. They come in different weights, depending on application, AEG upgrade level, and personal preference.

Rule of thumb:

.20 = CQB, Indoors, close quarters, non-upgraded AEGs,
.25 = can be used same as .20, but resist wind better, more weight, straighter trajectory, foliage resistant,
.28 = upgraded AEGs, punches through foliage, maintains man-sized patterns at distance on full auto, good ouch factor when teaching someone to call their hits,
.30 = specialty weight, can be used like .28, but more expensive and generally used in GBBs or by people play the sniper role with upgraded guns in semi-auto who try for the one-shot one-kill approach.

All BBs are vaccum molded high impact, shatter resistant, ABS plastic, balancing air bubble centered in BB for better flight characteristics and come in a halfsized resealable bag in 2000 count (1000 for .30) which conveniently fit into an M4 mag pouch or pant cargo pocket. They can be bought online at www.bbbastard.com or at games accross Canada from local Associate Bastards (ass bastards).

Oh, and the labels come off the bags and can be placed right on the driver side front window of your least favorite person, because, well, you're a bastard!

Originally Posted by Scarecrow

Anything above .30gr is tricky - actually going above .28gr reliably was tricky. The .30gr BB I sell and that anyone else sells is actually not pure ABS plastic - it has additives to bring up the weight.

My problem is the additive we use tops out at .30gr so we have to find another additive that offers greater weight and density options that does not interfere with the molding process or the polishing process. So far thats been very difficult to find. I did test one batch of test .34's sent to me and didn't like them - the surface pitted during the polish process. This is why I suspect the graphite BBs are popular as a heavier BB. They use a colored BB and then add graphite powder to cover up the pitting, and then market it as some kind of BB enhancement, when it fact all it does it gum up your hopup and if you wash the BB, you're again left with pitting.

No easy answers on this one folks - plus there is the ever present volume issue - people are just not buying heavy weight BBs in quantity. This year .20 and .25 are way ahead in sales compared to .28 and .30. Perhaps I've sold 50 bags of .30 product so far - so the incentive to manufacture and carry heavy weight product really isn't there. I've got about 5 years of .30 product in stock based on that sales volume.

P.S. Aside from the obvious danger of shooting ball bearings, ball bearings will ruin the inner barrel by scoring it as its fired. Not recommended.

[m102404]

What a shameless sales plug....

Try 0.25g bbs or 0.28g bbs. My understanding is that anything under 0.30g is made lighter by the inclusions of air bubbles (i.e. more bubbles = lighter). The 0.25g and 0.28g bbs have fewer inclusions than 0.20 and 0.23g bbs and so they should spin/fly truer.

You'll take an FPS penalty using heavier BBs...but you'll make up for it with the pure satisfaction of being able to hit what you're aiming at when shooting at the limit of your rifle.

Do a search for CDN_Stalker and BBbastard. He posted some good velocity comparisons and I added some results as well.

Coles Notes for those afflicted with ADD:
0.25's are great, some have really good luck with 0.28g
BBbastard makes great BBs.

[CDN_Stalker]

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthr...light=bastards

[AngelusNex]

I love BB bastard .25s I've strayed away from them once and had all sorts of jamming problems with another brand of 25s). Bastard .25's cost the same as there .2s. $10 per 2000 bag. (which is pretty much as cheap as good bbs get) They are highly recommended to you.

[McKee]

I use .28s exclusively..... if you're going into into dense brush (IE NAM!) you need these things.... everything else is just useless on anything thicker then dandelions.

[Crunchmeister]

I use BB Bastard .28s for my AEGs, and .30 for my GBBs. They're excellent quality BBs and relatively cheap too. The only other BBs I will use are MetalTech, which I think are just as good quality as Bastards. But they come from BC, and extra shipping costs and time to receive them just make buying them impractical for me.

[Scarecrow]

Originally Posted by m102404

What a shameless sales plug....

Its either that or BBQ'd noob.

[Skladfin]

one time I was reallly bored and decided to use a plier and cut some BBs in half. Mainly to see which brands has the most air bubbles, and to see the exterior quality.

I tried KSC perfects0.25g, Metal Tech MFG 0.25g, and BB bastards 0.28g

KSC perfects mainly had NO air bubbles. maybe 1 in 30 BBs had a very centred small little air bubble. So that was very good, but the exterior quality wasn't that great. I can see the injection nipple and what not.

Metal Tech MFG was interesting. half of them had very centred air bubbles, and the other half had NO air bubbles. Exterior quality was excellent.

BB bastard kinda let me down... there were always air bubbles. I wouldn't have minded if the bubbles were all centred and consistent shape, but 50% of the time it like a spear shape, almost reaching to one side of the BB. exterior was okay, but it had the same "micro dents and ditches" that I also found in Flying Colours brand BBs(Walmart BBs).

accuracy testing showed Metal Tech had NOTICIABLY better accuracy out of all BBs(I did the test with no hop up). KSC and BB bastard was performing fairly the same.

[coach]

Originally Posted by Crunchmeister

I use BB Bastard .28s for my AEGs, and .30 for my GBBs. They're excellent quality BBs and relatively cheap too. The only other BBs I will use are MetalTech, which I think are just as good quality as Bastards. But they come from BC, and extra shipping costs and time to receive them just make buying them impractical for me.

I just ordered a case of MT's for Duckman and I. Shipping to the GTA via regular parcel made it affordable.

Hope that they get here in time for Boarder Wars II!

[testtube]

No worries there will be plenty of Bastards available @ border wars if they don't come in.

[AngelusNex]

Originally Posted by testtube

No worries there will be plenty of Bastards available @ border wars if they don't come in.

Thank god... >.> I might want another bag or 2 I only have 2 1/2 and I plan too be trigger happy this year.

[coach]

Originally Posted by testtube

No worries there will be plenty of Bastards available @ border wars if they don't come in.

Oh, I'm not worried. Will probably get a bag or two.

Problem is, I ordered the black 0.25's.

[Scarecrow]

Originally Posted by Skladfin

BB bastard kinda let me down... there were always air bubbles. I wouldn't have minded if the bubbles were all centred and consistent shape, but 50% of the time it like a spear shape, almost reaching to one side of the BB. exterior was okay, but it had the same "micro dents and ditches" that I also found in Flying Colours brand BBs(Walmart BBs).

Thats funny because I've done the same thing and found the opposite. Not just me but several other people here in BB reviews. Suffice it to say I disagree with you.



Bastards are probably the most scrutinized of the BB products out there. I'm still looking for a spear shaped bubble.

Bottom line is you're going to have bubbles in any product under .30 and its incredibly hard to mitigate where they are going to end up. We're better than most and the .28 and .30 products handle that the best, and the .20 and .25 products compare favorably when lined up with other manufacturers. Just reference CDN_Stalker's BB article linked earlier in the thread.

Originally Posted by Skladfin

KSC perfects mainly had NO air bubbles. maybe 1 in 30 BBs had a very centred small little air bubble. So that was very good, but the exterior quality wasn't that great. I can see the injection nipple and what not.

I would not underestimate the importance of those two observations. Shoot a KSC prefect against a concrete surface and do the same with the same weight of Bastard and you'll see why.