Safariland 6004: Do you carry your sidearm cocked & locked?

ILLusion · September 6th, 2008, 18:33

So I recently ordered a Safariland 6004 holster for my Kimber Warrior. I specifically got the one that also allowed a Streamlight M6 to be attached.

I noticed that the hammer strap has a nub in it that does not allow the hammer strap to close down on the back of the slide when the hammer is down. The only way to secure the pistol is with the hammer cocked.

Further research in to this shows that Safariland offers both "hammer down" as well as "cocked & locked" models for certain models. This particular holster I got only had one model listed, so I'm assuming users of this holster would only be carrying their pistol cocked & locked (it's also listed as compatible with Springfield Operator 1911).

I'm not accustomed to carrying my pistol around while it's cocked & locked to reduce tension on the hammer spring, but I can understand why it's done for emergency quick-draw situations.

I'm curious as to how many other people do or do not carry their pistol in condition 1 (cocked and locked) or in condition 3 (hammer down, no round in the pipe, full mag inserted)

pugs144 · September 6th, 2008, 19:24

Condition 3's fine but your transitions will be that much slower due to the extra motion from having to rack the slide. Having it in Condition 1 shouldn't put that much stress on the mainspring if it's just for the duration of a game.

airborne1 · September 6th, 2008, 20:03

Cocked and locked always.

mcguyver · September 6th, 2008, 20:11

I carry both real and airsoft Glocks cocked and ready, as long as I'm at the range shooting the real one. If I'm at the range and the range is not hot, I'll leave the G22 on the bench, slide open or insert it slide open into my holster (but I can't secure it there for obvios reasons).

For some pistol shoots, the range is hot at a specified time and stays hot for hours sometimes, and all guns are assumed loaded and ready.

attack-beaver · September 6th, 2008, 21:33

cocked and locked when in game.

Roughneck · September 6th, 2008, 21:35

1911 half cocked, Mk23 NBB cocked with round chambered

CDN_Stalker · September 6th, 2008, 21:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcguyver

I carry both real and airsoft Glocks cocked and ready, as long as I'm at the range shooting the real one. If I'm at the range and the range is not hot, I'll leave the G22 on the bench, slide open or insert it slide open into my holster (but I can't secure it there for obvios reasons).

For some pistol shoots, the range is hot at a specified time and stays hot for hours sometimes, and all guns are assumed loaded and ready.

Lol at a real steel Glock being carried "cocked"! Round in chamber, sure, cocked.............. there is no hammer in a real Glock. Trigger pulls firing pin back then releases it. Tsk, tsk McGuyver!

Rookie Ab · September 6th, 2008, 22:16

6004 USP round in chamber, hammer dropped,(first round double action)

sgtscarfy · September 6th, 2008, 22:31

Cocked, locked and ready to rock...

with the safety on...

Lakonian · September 6th, 2008, 22:36

1911 = Hammer cocked, thumb safety on.
Glock = chamber emptayy... "safe action" my butt.

F34N0R · September 6th, 2008, 22:40

p226 hammer down , round in chamber, i'm not a cowboy.

mcguyver · September 7th, 2008, 00:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDN_Stalker

Lol at a real steel Glock being carried "cocked"! Round in chamber, sure, cocked.............. there is no hammer in a real Glock. Trigger pulls firing pin back then releases it. Tsk, tsk McGuyver!

Cocked means ready to fire. In a gun with an exposed hammer, that means it's quite visible. Round chambered in a Glock means it's cocked.

But when I use a SERPA, the gun can have the slide open and still be 100% retained in the holster. Not so with a Safariland.

And in a Glock, when you rack the slide back, you are puling back the firing pin and it's retainer. When you pull the trigger, you release the retainer, and the firing pin (more like a firing spring really), gets released. Pull the slide off a Glock and you'll see. You can release the retainer manually, even though the manual says not to.

Zilgorn_Zeypher · September 7th, 2008, 03:23

Always cocked and locked, died once from it not being ready to shoot

arman · September 7th, 2008, 03:52

COCKed and loaded ready to pull out and shoot you in the face....

and when i say you in the fase i mean anyone in the face

NovaKaynE · September 7th, 2008, 13:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by arman

COCKed and loaded ready to pull out and shoot you in the face....

Get it? Get it? hehe

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September 6th, 2008, 18:33	#1
ILLusion GBB Whisperer Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto	Safariland 6004: Do you carry your sidearm cocked & locked? So I recently ordered a Safariland 6004 holster for my Kimber Warrior. I specifically got the one that also allowed a Streamlight M6 to be attached. I noticed that the hammer strap has a nub in it that does not allow the hammer strap to close down on the back of the slide when the hammer is down. The only way to secure the pistol is with the hammer cocked. Further research in to this shows that Safariland offers both "hammer down" as well as "cocked & locked" models for certain models. This particular holster I got only had one model listed, so I'm assuming users of this holster would only be carrying their pistol cocked & locked (it's also listed as compatible with Springfield Operator 1911). I'm not accustomed to carrying my pistol around while it's cocked & locked to reduce tension on the hammer spring, but I can understand why it's done for emergency quick-draw situations. I'm curious as to how many other people do or do not carry their pistol in condition 1 (cocked and locked) or in condition 3 (hammer down, no round in the pipe, full mag inserted) __________________ *Advanced Airsoft Armaments and Enhancements* Quick to the gun, sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas Accuracy, Power, Speed

September 6th, 2008, 20:03	#3
airborne1 Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Calgary, Alberta	Cocked and locked always. __________________ It's between them and God it's simply my job to arrange the meeting.

September 6th, 2008, 20:11	#4
mcguyver Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Northern Alberta	I carry both real and airsoft Glocks cocked and ready, as long as I'm at the range shooting the real one. If I'm at the range and the range is not hot, I'll leave the G22 on the bench, slide open or insert it slide open into my holster (but I can't secure it there for obvios reasons). For some pistol shoots, the range is hot at a specified time and stays hot for hours sometimes, and all guns are assumed loaded and ready. __________________ Age verifier Northern Alberta Democracy is two wolves and a sheep discussing what's for dinner. Freedom is the wolves limping away while the sheep reloads. Never confuse freedom with democracy.

September 6th, 2008, 19:24	#2
pugs144 Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: At the entrance to the Big Top	Condition 3's fine but your transitions will be that much slower due to the extra motion from having to rack the slide. Having it in Condition 1 shouldn't put that much stress on the mainspring if it's just for the duration of a game.

September 6th, 2008, 21:33	#5
attack-beaver Trader rating Join Date: May 2005 Location: calgary	cocked and locked when in game.

September 6th, 2008, 21:35	#6
Roughneck used to be Spencer aka Sue Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Halifax, NS	1911 half cocked, Mk23 NBB cocked with round chambered __________________ Tpr. Spencer, DF RCD C Sqn - CFB Gagetown Please save for me, some gallantry That will echo when I'm gone

September 6th, 2008, 22:16	#8
Rookie Ab a.k.a. Kody_1 Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: 51° 2′ 42″ N, 114° 3′ 26″ W	6004 USP round in chamber, hammer dropped,(first round double action) __________________ AKA : Rookie, on a few other boards.

September 6th, 2008, 22:31	#9
sgtscarfy Trader rating Join Date: May 2007 Location: Toronto	Cocked, locked and ready to rock... with the safety on...

September 6th, 2008, 22:36	#10
Lakonian kos Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Wherever.	1911 = Hammer cocked, thumb safety on. Glock = chamber emptayy... "safe action" my butt.

September 6th, 2008, 22:40	#11
F34N0R Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Saint-Georges, QC	p226 hammer down , round in chamber, i'm not a cowboy. __________________ WAR-THUG CORP.

September 7th, 2008, 03:23	#13
Zilgorn_Zeypher Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Victoria BC	Always cocked and locked, died once from it not being ready to shoot

September 7th, 2008, 03:52	#14
arman Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Windsor, Ont.	COCKed and loaded ready to pull out and shoot you in the face.... and when i say you in the fase i mean anyone in the face __________________ playing with my kid!

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