m4 hop up g&p or king arms

jesster202 · July 29th, 2008, 04:32

ok for my new build im doing it with mid rang parts and i dont think i have enough to pay out for anouther systema hop up, so now im trying to decied between the g and p one or the king arms one which one is better this is for an armlight by the way.

Sentinel · August 14th, 2008, 00:47

king arms works well for me

Styrak · August 14th, 2008, 11:27

Either will work just as good.

808 · August 14th, 2008, 11:32

I have a King Arms one - I love it.

Although there's really nothing special about it. It's just never lost it's setting over time Some CA hop ups I've used have come un-tuned over time/repeated use.

The KA one I have hasn't. At least - not yet.

m102404 · August 14th, 2008, 11:37

Jesse,

The King Arms Enhanced unit is really nice. All of the units that I've setup in customer's rifles have worked well. The only "downside" to them is that the C-clip that holds the barrel locked into the unit is really hard to get on and is near impossible to get off without damaging the clip. I suppose that's a good thing if you don't intend on swapping out barrels...but hopup rubbers do need changing for various reasons.

The G&P unit has been great for me too. It's more of a "regular" unit, but it does the job.

At airsoftparts.ca the price difference is only $5-10 so I usually buy the King Arms one if it's in stock.

Tys

Drache · August 14th, 2008, 12:25

My G&P hopup was the cause of all my gun problems!

Once it was swapped out for something better the gun works fine!

The Saint · August 14th, 2008, 12:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by m102404

The only "downside" to them is that the C-clip that holds the barrel locked into the unit is really hard to get on and is near impossible to get off without damaging the clip.

Does its funky design really properly index the inner barrel? That'd make it all worth it.

m102404 · August 14th, 2008, 12:35

All of the ones that I've installed does keep the barrel in place. Forward/back and rotationally. With sole addition of maybe another odd notch on the ends of the clip, visually the KA clip doesn't look any different than others...but it is killer stiff to put on around the barrel and a real pain to take off. i.e. you feel like it's going to snap...and then it locks into position.

You still have the proper installation of the hopup rubber...which isn't hard, but it seems to be at least somewhat common for others to get wrong and "buckle/warp" the feed lips.

Skladfin · August 14th, 2008, 12:41

dont use G&P from experience, it caused my problems

m102404 · August 14th, 2008, 12:43

I've only installed 3 G&P units (which all worked fine)...I think I have an extra one in the parts bin. If I get the chance I'll chuck it into another rifle quickly and see if there's any issues...couldn't see why off hand.

What issues were you guys having? Feed tube too tight? Poor air sealing?

Skladfin · August 14th, 2008, 12:46

check drache's thread about BBs sticking in the tightbore

Drache · August 14th, 2008, 12:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skladfin

check drache's thread about BBs sticking in the tightbore

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=64930

All the problems listed there were fixed with swapping the G&P hopup to a Guarder one....

jesster202 · August 14th, 2008, 12:57

i whent with g and p as they work fine i instlled them with no problems at all the ka once installed the bucking allways fell out and wouldnt fall back in so needless to say i whent with g and p

m102404 · August 14th, 2008, 13:17

I read your thread as it developed...and remember the issues (bbs left stuck in barrel, jammed up in flash hider...neat), but I don't recall there being a consensus of what was causing the problem (sure swapping out the hopup unit made the problems go away...but what was wrong with the original hopup unit?).

Questions like:
Did the bbs not flow up into and transfer into the chamber reliably? (that shouldn't cause them to jam/stop in the barrel)

Was there a massive air loss, if so where? For the shots that did come out, what was the velocity (and how did you have it setup)?

I'm not looking to rehash the whole troubleshooting thing...I just wondered how many G&P units you had problems with to convince you to never use them again.

Skladfin · August 14th, 2008, 13:21

To quote

"drache sent it to me, received it this morning and I just finished fixing it.

Seems like the stock G&P hop up unit was made in the dumpster, unstable, flimsy gears, and it had a larger than average boresize for the barrel to fit inside. This caused movement inside the hop up unit and there was unwanted amount of inner barrel movement, the C clip also didnt help, it actually didnt even hold the barrel in place.

It was also missing the spring that contacts the body to the hop up unit."

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July 29th, 2008, 04:32	#1
jesster202 Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: London Ontario	m4 hop up g&p or king arms ok for my new build im doing it with mid rang parts and i dont think i have enough to pay out for anouther systema hop up, so now im trying to decied between the g and p one or the king arms one which one is better this is for an armlight by the way. __________________ *MY COLLECTION* *AEG* M4 coustom full metal with king arms metal body //\\ Galaxy MP5 PDW *GAS/SPRING* KJW M9 FULLY UPGRADED //\\KWA FULL SIZE USP //\\ TF MAC11 *GEAR* Coyote Brown CIRAS

August 14th, 2008, 00:47	#2
Sentinel Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Quebec City	king arms works well for me __________________ FREEDOM FIGHTERS AIRSOFT TEAM Sell/Buy ratings : http://www.airsoftcanada.com/classif...ction=readfeed

August 14th, 2008, 11:27	#3
Styrak Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Saskatoon, SK	Either will work just as good. __________________ Airsoft Sales and Repair/Upgrade Services

August 14th, 2008, 11:32	#4
808 Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: 6mm-mag.com - Winnipeg	I have a King Arms one - I love it. Although there's really nothing special about it. It's just never lost it's setting over time Some CA hop ups I've used have come un-tuned over time/repeated use. The KA one I have hasn't. At least - not yet. __________________

August 14th, 2008, 11:37	#5
m102404 Tys Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Toronto	Jesse, The King Arms Enhanced unit is really nice. All of the units that I've setup in customer's rifles have worked well. The only "downside" to them is that the C-clip that holds the barrel locked into the unit is really hard to get on and is near impossible to get off without damaging the clip. I suppose that's a good thing if you don't intend on swapping out barrels...but hopup rubbers do need changing for various reasons. The G&P unit has been great for me too. It's more of a "regular" unit, but it does the job. At airsoftparts.ca the price difference is only $5-10 so I usually buy the King Arms one if it's in stock. Tys

August 14th, 2008, 12:25	#6
Drache BALLET, TYPE: SELF LOATHING, ANALBURST Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2005	My G&P hopup was the cause of all my gun problems! Once it was swapped out for something better the gun works fine!

August 14th, 2008, 12:35	#8
m102404 Tys Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Toronto	All of the ones that I've installed does keep the barrel in place. Forward/back and rotationally. With sole addition of maybe another odd notch on the ends of the clip, visually the KA clip doesn't look any different than others...but it is killer stiff to put on around the barrel and a real pain to take off. i.e. you feel like it's going to snap...and then it locks into position. You still have the proper installation of the hopup rubber...which isn't hard, but it seems to be at least somewhat common for others to get wrong and "buckle/warp" the feed lips.

August 14th, 2008, 12:41	#9
Skladfin Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Glace Bay, Nova Scotia	dont use G&P from experience, it caused my problems

August 14th, 2008, 12:43	#10
m102404 Tys Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Toronto	I've only installed 3 G&P units (which all worked fine)...I think I have an extra one in the parts bin. If I get the chance I'll chuck it into another rifle quickly and see if there's any issues...couldn't see why off hand. What issues were you guys having? Feed tube too tight? Poor air sealing?

August 14th, 2008, 12:46	#11
Skladfin Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Glace Bay, Nova Scotia	check drache's thread about BBs sticking in the tightbore

August 14th, 2008, 12:57	#13
jesster202 Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: London Ontario	i whent with g and p as they work fine i instlled them with no problems at all the ka once installed the bucking allways fell out and wouldnt fall back in so needless to say i whent with g and p __________________ *MY COLLECTION* *AEG* M4 coustom full metal with king arms metal body //\\ Galaxy MP5 PDW *GAS/SPRING* KJW M9 FULLY UPGRADED //\\KWA FULL SIZE USP //\\ TF MAC11 *GEAR* Coyote Brown CIRAS

August 14th, 2008, 13:17	#14
m102404 Tys Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Toronto	I read your thread as it developed...and remember the issues (bbs left stuck in barrel, jammed up in flash hider...neat), but I don't recall there being a consensus of what was causing the problem (sure swapping out the hopup unit made the problems go away...but what was wrong with the original hopup unit?). Questions like: Did the bbs not flow up into and transfer into the chamber reliably? (that shouldn't cause them to jam/stop in the barrel) Was there a massive air loss, if so where? For the shots that did come out, what was the velocity (and how did you have it setup)? I'm not looking to rehash the whole troubleshooting thing...I just wondered how many G&P units you had problems with to convince you to never use them again.

August 14th, 2008, 13:21	#15
Skladfin Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Glace Bay, Nova Scotia	To quote "drache sent it to me, received it this morning and I just finished fixing it. Seems like the stock G&P hop up unit was made in the dumpster, unstable, flimsy gears, and it had a larger than average boresize for the barrel to fit inside. This caused movement inside the hop up unit and there was unwanted amount of inner barrel movement, the C clip also didnt help, it actually didnt even hold the barrel in place. It was also missing the spring that contacts the body to the hop up unit."

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