What m4 to get? GBBR / AEG

[.Zo]

Ok so I'm going with an mk18 mod 1 build but I cannot decide which route to go down in terms of the actual gun. Most base AEG's / GBBR's that I would buy would get alot of the parts swapped (sights RIS stock outer barrel *unless it has a 10.3" outer*) out so I'm trying to find an inexpensive gun. Like a baseline vfc / g&p such as this http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_inf...oducts_id=5730

But when I saw this g&p woc challenge kit I immediately was interested in it since you can get more realism for a great price, and since I'm swapping out most aesthetic parts the price is perfect. I but I read that the WA system it uses has terrible gas efficiency. The km4 seems to have too many problems in the long run too. So I'm at a dead end.

AEG: Cheap to maintain, inexpensive magazines, high rps

GBBR: Added realism, can be costly to maintain, expensive mags

If I can get a great gbbr at the price of an aeg then I would do that. Money isn't an issue but I do not want a low quality gbbr like a G&G unless they can compete with the higher quality ones. Not looking to buy a systema or innokatsu either lol.

[Kos-Mos]

Have you ever used a GBBR?

If not, how can you know what brands are good.

I have been running some WE for over a year, all games, even in winter.
Nothing broke and it's hell of a performer.

Maintenance is a breeze compared to an AEG.

Only down side is the mags are 40$ a pop, but when you have them, it literally cost nothing to run (ok, some propane, BBs and a few drops of silicon oil).

Don't buy-in to those that say you have to upgrade the shit out of it internally, it only need a rubber and barrel.

[darkshift]

GBBRs are extremely easy to maintain and easy to diagnose any problems. everything is mechanical which means its very simple to repair/replace. Yes mags are expensive but they are also built very well (G&P Pmags).

AEG mechboxes are very intimidating to open/work on (in my personal opinion). If I needed to I can swap out my entire firing mechanism in about 10 minutes.

I built a scratch WA m4 with no previous experience and with no special tools. I used a 1/8 pin punch, a rubber mallet. a small allen key set and a pair of philips and flathead screwdrivers.

as to WA system effieciency, i can easily get 2 full mags (39 x 2) with gas left over. no personal experience with WE mags, from what I've heard you should get the 2nd gen.

[.Zo]

Originally Posted by darkshift

GBBRs are extremely easy to maintain and easy to diagnose any problems. everything is mechanical which means its very simple to repair/replace. Yes mags are expensive but they are also built very well (G&P Pmags).

AEG mechboxes are very intimidating to open/work on (in my personal opinion). If I needed to I can swap out my entire firing mechanism in about 10 minutes.

I built a scratch WA m4 with no previous experience and with no special tools. I used a 1/8 pin punch, a rubber mallet. a small allen key set and a pair of philips and flathead screwdrivers.

as to WA system effieciency, i can easily get 2 full mags (39 x 2) with gas left over. no personal experience with WE mags, from what I've heard you should get the 2nd gen.

So you think the g&p woc would be just fine?

[MaybeStopCalling]

Originally Posted by .Zo

So you think the g&p woc would be just fine?

I like the WE family for their RS compatibility, I don't know how WA fares in that department. You get better and often cheaper parts if you buy RS (I know, right?)

[darkshift]

WA is RS compatible with accessories, any rail you put on it if its a decent replica then you shouldn't have any problems with RS accessories. my carbine has all RS Magpul accessories and it all fits perfectly, even the STR stock on a G&P buffer tube, no play.

G&P WOC is a good system to start your first build.

[.Zo]

Originally Posted by darkshift

WA is RS compatible with accessories, any rail you put on it if its a decent replica then you shouldn't have any problems with RS accessories. my carbine has all RS Magpul accessories and it all fits perfectly, even the STR stock on a G&P buffer tube, no play.

G&P WOC is a good system to start your first build.

I haven't decided on the woc, I'm trying to weigh the options and buy the best one

[-=ArchAngel=-]

Something to take into account is while gbbrs are easier to maintain, they require more frequent maintenance. AEGs are much less maintenance heavy, but are much more complicated if you ever have to take it apart.
Also, GBBRs r much more sensitive to temperature. Not sure about AEGs in rain, but i know GBBRs are okay as long. Would be a good idea to dry them off afterwards.

[MultipleParadox]

@archangel
Much more complicated?! you must be kidding:

Gbbr:
2 receiver pins, no tool required;
open, remove bolt carrier and charging handle, clean, relube, done.

Aeg:
2 pins, some models are screwed
Small trigger pin (need a punch); remove mag catch (need a screwdriver or allen key)
Remove stock
Unscrew buffer tube (different screwdriver)
Remove buffer tube
Split receivers
Wigle the gearbox out of there
Remove 8 screws with another 2 different screwdrivers
Insert screwdriver in spring guide
Split gearbox shell hoping everyting will go alright
...
And I'm sure I forgot a step or two...

Yeah, you have to maintain gbbr more often; but you can do that 10times before you can do it once with an aeg in term of time it'll take you

[Danneichh]

[quote=-=ArchAngel=-;1784428]Something to take into account is while gbbrs are easier to maintain, they require more frequent maintenance. AEGs are much less maintenance heavy, but are much more complicated if you ever have to take it apart.

You know, he did say AEGs are much more complicated, not GBBRs. Just saying.

[MultipleParadox]

Haaaaa my bad, i must have read too fast!

[.Zo]

Originally Posted by MultipleParadox

@archangel
Much more complicated?! you must be kidding:

Gbbr:
2 receiver pins, no tool required;
open, remove bolt carrier and charging handle, clean, relube, done.

Aeg:
2 pins, some models are screwed
Small trigger pin (need a punch); remove mag catch (need a screwdriver or allen key)
Remove stock
Unscrew buffer tube (different screwdriver)
Remove buffer tube
Split receivers
Wigle the gearbox out of there
Remove 8 screws with another 2 different screwdrivers
Insert screwdriver in spring guide
Split gearbox shell hoping everyting will go alright
...
And I'm sure I forgot a step or two...

Yeah, you have to maintain gbbr more often; but you can do that 10times before you can do it once with an aeg in term of time it'll take you

I have real steel guns so that's definitely a plus and something I'm used to.

But after all this I still have no idea which road to go down :ss

[Danneichh]

If you have real steel, you should feel right at home with a GBBR. Truthfully, what brand you buy won't really determine the quality. What you put in it afterwards will determine it much more. Generally speaking, the WE platforms are cost effective, realistic, and are absolutely loaded with aftermarket upgrades.

[WhiteGuy_9]

I have had both AEG and GBB now and once you go GBB it's really hard too step back into the AEG
I guess it depends on what kind of game you want too play really, AEG hi-cap mags are endless ammo where GBB has, more often than not, 30 rounds making you take your shot's carefully

[.Zo]

I don't see many upgrades out for the kjw m4 and that is a huge factor.

Its down to KWA LM4 vs G&P Challenge Kit vs WE M4