What's the diff between APS and CYMA?

paulwes83 · July 7th, 2011, 14:55

Hey guys,

Just wondering if anybody knows the difference between the construction of APS AK models and CYMA AK models...is there one besides materials used?

I've had CYMA AKs before and they're modeled after the Inokatsu design, just crappier build materials and finishes.

Thanks er'body!

Disco_Dante · July 7th, 2011, 15:44

Current Cyma models are pinned together, and are cloned from VFC. So there's no screws like in a TM. Aren't APS the blowback ones that clone the current TM recoil engine AKs?

Anyways, Cyma models just use a little hook to attach the bolt to the piston. This is a really shitty method of creating a blowback effect and should be disabled immediately.

paulwes83 · July 7th, 2011, 15:48

They're not a direct clone of VFC because of their outer barrel design. DBoys/Kalash are the only ones that copy VFC correctly. CYMAs are copies of the Inokatsu design, which Guarder, Classic Army and now G&G have copied.

I have no idea if the APS AKs are a copy of the TM blowback design, hence why I'm asking.

Disco_Dante · July 7th, 2011, 15:59

Well they don't copy the new TM, apparantly thats "javelin". APS products just plain suck apparantly.
http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forum...&#entry2363828

Sorry to jack the thread, but what's different about the CYMA barrels?

Here's another review that says APS is shit http://www.red-alliance.net/forum/in...?topic=17071.0

paulwes83 · July 7th, 2011, 16:14

No worries man, you didn't jack anything.

I'm well aware that APS are dog doodie, but I wanted to know about the construction because I wanted to know if I could rip out the guts and put a gas kit in it.

CYMA barrels are different because they have 2 tangs that run beside the hop up unit. VFC and DBoys/Kalash barrel don't. They don't even run past the rear sight block into the receiver, whereas CYMA does.

Disco_Dante · July 7th, 2011, 16:17

Huh, well it seems I've learned more froM
this thread than you have! Thanks!

Ponyone wrote a review on airsoft Ontario, pm him and he may be able to answer your question. Good luck with your project!

Styrak · July 7th, 2011, 20:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Disco_Dante

Current Cyma models are pinned together, and are cloned from VFC. So there's no screws like in a TM. Aren't APS the blowback ones that clone the current TM recoil engine AKs?

Not true, most CYMA AK's are TM clones, not DBoys/VFC clones.

Disco_Dante · July 7th, 2011, 20:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Styrak

Not true, most CYMA AK's are TM clones, not DBoys/VFC clones.

Everything after ~CM040 is pinned, no screws.

So most are, but they've switched over to pinned style receivers now, and future AK releases will be as well.

sortie39 · July 8th, 2011, 04:12

APS guns are even pricier than any g&g cyma AKs each for 400+CAD..
I know a local guy who allegedly is the APS sale manager for the north american market..
but i still can tell they r pretty much the same as those cybergun trash..

Styrak · July 8th, 2011, 05:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by sortie39

but i still can tell they r pretty much the same as those cybergun trash..

I like people who make overbearing all-encompassing statements.
/sarcasm

paulwes83 · July 8th, 2011, 09:20

Pricier than G&G?! Where are seeing full metal G&Gs for less than 450$? Sure those stupid smoked receiver ones are cheaper, but I've never seen a BNIB G&G full metal for less than an APS.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sortie39

APS guns are even pricier than any g&g cyma AKs each for 400+CAD..
I know a local guy who allegedly is the APS sale manager for the north american market..
but i still can tell they r pretty much the same as those cybergun trash..

Gunny_McSmith · July 8th, 2011, 12:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by sortie39

I know a local guy who allegedly is the APS sale manager for the north american market..

AKA Milsig? They say those are the best Aegs on the market.... while they know APS is crap, they usually last around 2 days before breaking down!

PS: APS prices are way too high, I wouldnt be complaining if I paid 50$ for one...

Found this quote on a forum... LOL

Quote:

It looks like APS stands for A Piece of Shit!!

paulwes83 · July 8th, 2011, 13:12

hahaha Love that quote. Guess I won't even bother seeing if I can fit a gas kit in one of them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunny_McSmith

AKA Milsig? They say those are the best Aegs on the market.... while they know APS is crap, they usually last around 2 days before breaking down!

PS: APS prices are way too high, I wouldnt be complaining if I paid 50$ for one...

Found this quote on a forum... LOL

sortie39 · July 8th, 2011, 14:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Styrak

I like people who make overbearing all-encompassing statements.
/sarcasm

wish u were serious...
btw dont mind telling u a piece of truth :the APS,cybergun crap,classic army and even the fking REAL SWORD are made by the same chinese manufacturer.

SurplusIG · July 8th, 2011, 15:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by sortie39

wish u were serious...
btw dont mind telling u a piece of truth :the APS,cybergun crap,classic army and even the fking REAL SWORD are made by the same chinese manufacturer.

I am curious as to were you found that information. I have opened all of the above except real sword, and if they are made in the same factory, the difference between the 3 are huge. APS is absolute garbage internally, and externally its nothing special. Although cybergun is cheap, for a cheap gun they are decent.

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July 7th, 2011, 14:55	#1
paulwes83 Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2006	What's the diff between APS and CYMA? Hey guys, Just wondering if anybody knows the difference between the construction of APS AK models and CYMA AK models...is there one besides materials used? I've had CYMA AKs before and they're modeled after the Inokatsu design, just crappier build materials and finishes. Thanks er'body!

July 7th, 2011, 15:44	#2
Disco_Dante Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: GTA	Current Cyma models are pinned together, and are cloned from VFC. So there's no screws like in a TM. Aren't APS the blowback ones that clone the current TM recoil engine AKs? Anyways, Cyma models just use a little hook to attach the bolt to the piston. This is a really shitty method of creating a blowback effect and should be disabled immediately. __________________ Not for glory, nor riches, nor honours, but for freedom alone, which no good man gives up except with his life. Last edited by Disco_Dante; July 7th, 2011 at 15:46..

July 7th, 2011, 15:59	#4
Disco_Dante Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: GTA	Well they don't copy the new TM, apparantly thats "javelin". APS products just plain suck apparantly. http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forum...&#entry2363828 Sorry to jack the thread, but what's different about the CYMA barrels? Here's another review that says APS is shit http://www.red-alliance.net/forum/in...?topic=17071.0 __________________ Not for glory, nor riches, nor honours, but for freedom alone, which no good man gives up except with his life. Last edited by Disco_Dante; July 7th, 2011 at 16:03..

July 7th, 2011, 15:48	#3
paulwes83 Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2006	They're not a direct clone of VFC because of their outer barrel design. DBoys/Kalash are the only ones that copy VFC correctly. CYMAs are copies of the Inokatsu design, which Guarder, Classic Army and now G&G have copied. I have no idea if the APS AKs are a copy of the TM blowback design, hence why I'm asking.

July 7th, 2011, 16:14	#5
paulwes83 Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2006	No worries man, you didn't jack anything. I'm well aware that APS are dog doodie, but I wanted to know about the construction because I wanted to know if I could rip out the guts and put a gas kit in it. CYMA barrels are different because they have 2 tangs that run beside the hop up unit. VFC and DBoys/Kalash barrel don't. They don't even run past the rear sight block into the receiver, whereas CYMA does.

July 7th, 2011, 16:17	#6
Disco_Dante Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: GTA	Huh, well it seems I've learned more froM this thread than you have! Thanks! Ponyone wrote a review on airsoft Ontario, pm him and he may be able to answer your question. Good luck with your project! __________________ Not for glory, nor riches, nor honours, but for freedom alone, which no good man gives up except with his life.

July 8th, 2011, 04:12	#9
sortie39 Banned Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Calgary AB	APS guns are even pricier than any g&g cyma AKs each for 400+CAD.. I know a local guy who allegedly is the APS sale manager for the north american market.. but i still can tell they r pretty much the same as those cybergun trash..

What's the diff between APS and CYMA?

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