Guarder or Systema FTK?

webtek23 · March 31st, 2006, 07:57

I was planning on getting some basic upgrades such as metal bearings, a sp110 spring, bearing spring guide, and maybe some reinforced standard gears. I would also end up getting a m4a1 cylinder due to the new longer barrel I was going to run through the silencer on my MP5 RAS. Anyways, for the price that all these things cost, it was very close to the price tag of the Guarder FTK ($124.99). I had not heard of these ftk's before. I know systema ftk's ($199.99)are kinda the standard here as they have been proven to be great products. I also have heard great things about some of the guarder upgrade products. I was wondering:

1. If anyone had personal experience with the Guarder FTK's or if they could point me to a review.
2. Which one would you get given the $75 difference in price tags? Is the systema worth that much extra cash?

Dozer_01 · March 31st, 2006, 08:46

May as well buy one of the complete systema mechboxes. They are quite nice.

The Saint · March 31st, 2006, 12:50

I second the idea of getting a complete mech box, it's what I'm considering myself for later on. Consider the little extra money spent towards not having to crack open the pain that is a mech box.

webtek23 · April 1st, 2006, 02:06

Ok, well I have opened many mechboxes before so that is not the issue. I just wanted to know which one was better and if the systema was worth the extra $75

Trader rating · April 4th, 2006, 09:38

The systema is probably not worth the extra because there springs are very stiff. They are prone to breaking after a short time. Guarder makes great products overal. You will be satisfied.

ILLusion · April 4th, 2006, 15:17

I dunno about that... I find Guarder springs to be even stiffer than Systema springs.

Systema springs also perform with very consistent velocity outputs. Guarder, not so much.

Also, little things such as squareness in gear axles (the Guarder spur gears are known to be off-canter right out of the box).

Dozer_01 · April 4th, 2006, 16:17

Quote:

off-canter

Me thinks ya mean off-camber :grin:

ILLusion · April 4th, 2006, 21:57

you're right. that's the word i was looking for.

but i looked it up and it's still not the right word.

Basically what I meant is that the axle wasn't square to the surface of the gears.

Dozer_01 · April 4th, 2006, 23:29

I hope Guarder tries to rectify the problem...

Russianboy · April 5th, 2006, 02:17

I my self get all the best parts made and out then in.

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March 31st, 2006, 07:57	#1
webtek23 Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Ohio	Guarder or Systema FTK? I was planning on getting some basic upgrades such as metal bearings, a sp110 spring, bearing spring guide, and maybe some reinforced standard gears. I would also end up getting a m4a1 cylinder due to the new longer barrel I was going to run through the silencer on my MP5 RAS. Anyways, for the price that all these things cost, it was very close to the price tag of the Guarder FTK ($124.99). I had not heard of these ftk's before. I know systema ftk's ($199.99)are kinda the standard here as they have been proven to be great products. I also have heard great things about some of the guarder upgrade products. I was wondering: 1. If anyone had personal experience with the Guarder FTK's or if they could point me to a review. 2. Which one would you get given the $75 difference in price tags? Is the systema worth that much extra cash?

March 31st, 2006, 08:46	#2
Dozer_01 Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ontario	May as well buy one of the complete systema mechboxes. They are quite nice. __________________ LLTP

March 31st, 2006, 12:50	#3
The Saint Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Quebec	I second the idea of getting a complete mech box, it's what I'm considering myself for later on. Consider the little extra money spent towards not having to crack open the pain that is a mech box. __________________ "The Bird of Hermes is My Name, Eating My Wings to Make Me Tame."

April 1st, 2006, 02:06	#4
webtek23 Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Ohio	Ok, well I have opened many mechboxes before so that is not the issue. I just wanted to know which one was better and if the systema was worth the extra $75

April 4th, 2006, 09:38	#5
LaZeDoUt^ Guest Trader rating	The systema is probably not worth the extra because there springs are very stiff. They are prone to breaking after a short time. Guarder makes great products overal. You will be satisfied.

April 4th, 2006, 15:17	#6
ILLusion GBB Whisperer Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto	I dunno about that... I find Guarder springs to be even stiffer than Systema springs. Systema springs also perform with very consistent velocity outputs. Guarder, not so much. Also, little things such as squareness in gear axles (the Guarder spur gears are known to be off-canter right out of the box). __________________ *Advanced Airsoft Armaments and Enhancements* Quick to the gun, sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas Accuracy, Power, Speed

April 4th, 2006, 21:57	#8
ILLusion GBB Whisperer Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto	you're right. that's the word i was looking for. but i looked it up and it's still not the right word. Basically what I meant is that the axle wasn't square to the surface of the gears. __________________ *Advanced Airsoft Armaments and Enhancements* Quick to the gun, sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas Accuracy, Power, Speed

April 4th, 2006, 23:29	#9
Dozer_01 Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ontario	I hope Guarder tries to rectify the problem... __________________ LLTP

April 5th, 2006, 02:17	#10
Russianboy Banned Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Athens, GA	I my self get all the best parts made and out then in.

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