Would you make this trade if you were me?

[Uberg33k]

VFC VR16 Saber or Krytac Trident (both brand new, never gamed or dry fired with original invoice showing purchase less than a month ago). Keeping in mind I want to part either one for two good quality Glocks with real steel trades.

for

HK3P G17
PGC Slide Barrel Set
Guarder Steel Night Sights
Guarder Magazine Catch
Guarder Serial Plate
Maple Leaf Hop Up Unit
Maple Leaf Enhanced Hop Up Wheel
Maple Leaf Hop Up Rubber
Precision 6.03mm inner Barrel (unkown brand)

1:1 trade? (either VFC or the Krytac not both). Who's getting the better deal here? Just wanted the experts to weigh in.

[BioRage]

Not sure if you're serious or not...

Context:

Would you trade your Honda Civic (WE) for a BMW (VFC/KRY)?

[Uberg33k]

Originally Posted by BioRage

Not sure if you're serious or not...

Context:

Would you trade your Honda Civic (WE) for a BMW (VFC/KRY)?

No I'm serious because that's what's been proposed to me. lol I don't know the true value of these custom Glocks. I know e_luder sells them for $500 plus that's why I'm asking. Now the person I'm dealing with is not e_luder. lol

[RainyEyes]

Nope. The hk3p with THOSE upgrades is kind of a $200 deal without mags. The person is trying to scam you.

They upgraded the hop up and put in an aftermarket barrel for a gun that usually has an effective range of 100 meters anyways in cqb at best.

The vfc saber is a good AEG.

Tell them to add $200 ontop of the g17 depending on if it has mags otherwise you're downgrading.

[Uberg33k]

Originally Posted by RainyEyes

Nope. The hk3p with THOSE upgrades is kind of a $200 deal without mags. The person is trying to scam you.

They upgraded the hop up and put in an aftermarket barrel for a gun that usually has an effective range of 100 meters anyways in cqb at best.

The vfc saber is a good AEG.

Tell them to add $200 ontop of the g17 depending on if it has mags otherwise you're downgrading.

That's exactly what I figured. I asked for two of his upgraded Glocks which would equate to the cost of the stock VFC or the Krytac. If it had been something e_luder created then I'd consider it. I just want two custom Glocks with full trades if HK3P or 1 really solid Tm based. I had a feeling I would be getting ripped off that's why I posted this.

[RainyEyes]

Originally Posted by Uberg33k

That's exactly what I figured. I asked for two of his upgraded Glocks which would equate to the cost of the stock VFC or the Krytac. If it had been something e_luder created then I'd consider it. I just want two custom Glocks with full trades if HK3P or 1 really solid Tm based. I had a feeling I would be getting ripped off that's why I posted this.

Well here's my reasoning:

this is my own personal belief but I recall some members on the forums sharing the same opinion... I REFUSE to believe that someone who claims that a gun that is upgraded to the teets is "lnib never gamed". Why did you upgrade the internals for performance if it's never gamed?

What I mean to say is that your guns are presumably LNIB never gamed. The internals and externals are in stock pristine condition if not a little dry on the insides due to a lack of cycling or lubrication.

The offering party is proposing a gun that's upgraded and PRESUMABLY gamed at least once if not more.

Why would you trade a perfectly new gun that doesn't even have a scratch for one that's of lower-quality, prone to breaking (and all stock glock plastic frames have this problem whether it be black or tinted, it all depends on the owner and the use of the gun along with age) based on the length of ownership, and it doesn't come with mags?

The PGC slide set is $90 in-country at best and requires modification and fitment for proper use according to this thread: TM Glock 17 Metal Slide + Outer Barrel (PGC or Guarder?) - Airsoft Canada

The remainder of the upgrades:

HK3P G17 ($150 presumably used, $220 new but it's discontinued based on Depot prices)
PGC Slide Barrel Set ($90 based on Parts)
Guarder Steel Night Sights ($30 China retailer)
Guarder Magazine Catch ($10 based on Parts)
Guarder Serial Plate (lolwut)
Maple Leaf Hop Up Unit ($30 based on Parts)
Maple Leaf Enhanced Hop Up Wheel (i donno what that is)
Maple Leaf Hop Up Rubber ($10 based on Parts)
Precision 6.03mm inner Barrel (unkown brand) ($20 presumably based on China)

Total approx $410~ MSRP

Total approx $340~ MSRP - used price on the G17 alone

Considering what we know about the fitment of the slide and that it's almost definitely probably without a shadow of a doubt used, we can probably slash that price in half given the "nature of airsoft". Ask yourself, do you know this owner and how well they've maintained their gun?

$160 without mags for a used hk3p G17. $200 is a reasonable price for that specific hk3p imo. Throw some mags you've got a decent deal for $300 cash.

I've sold a WE G19 for $120 with no mags and the only upgrades were springs and glow-in-the-dark sights.

Your VFC Saber MSRP is a whopping $500 CAD after taxes in-country. Up to you though. Feel free to disagree with anything I wrote.

[Uberg33k]

Originally Posted by RainyEyes

Well here's my reasoning:

this is my own personal belief but I recall some members on the forums sharing the same opinion... I REFUSE to believe that someone who claims that a gun that is upgraded to the teets is "lnib never gamed". Why did you upgrade the internals for performance if it's never gamed?

What I mean to say is that your guns are presumably LNIB never gamed. The internals and externals are in stock pristine condition if not a little dry on the insides due to a lack of cycling or lubrication.

The offering party is proposing a gun that's upgraded and PRESUMABLY gamed at least once if not more.

Why would you trade a perfectly new gun that doesn't even have a scratch for one that's of lower-quality, prone to breaking (and all stock glock plastic frames have this problem whether it be black or tinted, it all depends on the owner and the use of the gun along with age) based on the length of ownership, and it doesn't come with mags?

The PGC slide set is $90 in-country at best and requires modification and fitment for proper use according to this thread: TM Glock 17 Metal Slide + Outer Barrel (PGC or Guarder?) - Airsoft Canada

The remainder of the upgrades:

HK3P G17 ($150 presumably used, $220 new but it's discontinued based on Depot prices)
PGC Slide Barrel Set ($90 based on Parts)
Guarder Steel Night Sights ($30 China retailer)
Guarder Magazine Catch ($10 based on Parts)
Guarder Serial Plate (lolwut)
Maple Leaf Hop Up Unit ($30 based on Parts)
Maple Leaf Enhanced Hop Up Wheel (i donno what that is)
Maple Leaf Hop Up Rubber ($10 based on Parts)
Precision 6.03mm inner Barrel (unkown brand) ($20 presumably based on China)

Total approx $410~ MSRP

Total approx $340~ MSRP - used price on the G17 alone

Considering what we know about the fitment of the slide and that it's almost definitely probably without a shadow of a doubt used, we can probably slash that price in half given the "nature of airsoft". Ask yourself, do you know this owner and how well they've maintained their gun?

$160 without mags for a used hk3p G17. $200 is a reasonable price for that specific hk3p imo. Throw some mags you've got a decent deal for $300 cash.

I've sold a WE G19 for $120 with no mags and the only upgrades were springs and glow-in-the-dark sights.

Your VFC Saber MSRP is a whopping $500 CAD after taxes in-country. Up to you though. Feel free to disagree with anything I wrote.

No absolutely I agree with you. Again I didn't know the true value of custom Glocks and I'm purely going on the type of stuff e_luder produces. The VFC was an impulse buy for me and I'm willing to take the loss on it (basically I posted it for $400 or a trade for TWO upgraded Glocks with RS trades). Which I'm losing $140ish on if sold for that much but I'm fine with that as it is what it is. Thanks for your insight though I really appreciate it, you have to be careful on here as everyone seems to think that their custom frankingun is worth hundreds when in actuality it's quite the opposite. lol

[RainyEyes]

Originally Posted by Uberg33k

everyone seems to think that their custom frankingun is worth hundreds when in actuality it's quite the opposite. lol

Well you're not wrong. Some frankenguns who are built by people who know what they're doing, not necessarily pros, are actually pretty decent. The gun he proposed isn't bad but just not worth what you have to offer in a 1:1 trade.

Unlike guns by E-luder like you said some of them are also gamed, some are just built and sold for fun. Except when they don't come w/ mags and they're not as reputable you don't know what went into the build.

It would be a pretty even trade for a VFC for 2 glocks WITHOUT mags though. Just 1 glock I'd not consider it without cash.

[BioRage]

Anyways if you're into getting a "custom pistol" better you post and research before doing silly trades.

No questions is a silly question.

You get more enjoyment out of building one yourself; or you could pay someone like E to build a nice one for you with a budget.

[Uberg33k]

Originally Posted by BioRage

Anyways if you're into getting a "custom pistol" better you post and research before doing silly trades.

No questions is a silly question.

You get more enjoyment out of building one yourself; or you could pay someone like E to build a nice one for you with a budget.

Well exactly, hence why I asked here. Now that I'm educated on the subject to a point I will go that route. Doing it myself is too much lef work trying to get a hold of parts. If they were available locally it wouldn't be an issue. I usually just throw money at situations like this. lol

[Datawraith]

Originally Posted by BioRage

Anyways if you're into getting a "custom pistol" better you post and research before doing silly trades.

No questions is a silly question.

You get more enjoyment out of building one yourself; or you could pay someone like E to build a nice one for you with a budget.

E is still doing builds?! I thought he'd quit last I heard... Anywho, he'd been keeping his inbox permanently full for the past who knows how long.

[Uberg33k]

Originally Posted by Datawraith

E is still doing builds?! I thought he'd quit last I heard... Anywho, he'd been keeping his inbox permanently full for the past who knows how long.

No he's not I believe but he did. I was just using his quality builds as a point of reference.

[BioRage]

Originally Posted by Datawraith

E is still doing builds?! I thought he'd quit last I heard... Anywho, he'd been keeping his inbox permanently full for the past who knows how long.

I could text him... But he's pretty cozy in nowhere land xD