Thinking about giving up and leaving AS...

[HellRanger]

I'm glad that the "old" guys are taking interest in the thread.

I met Scarecrow for the first time face-to-face in Rawdon. Very nice guy, I had to walk up to him to introduce myself and shoot the shit for a minute or 2 with him and a nice picture came out of it standing there with a huge grin on our faces.

Little things like that matter as well.

[Scarecrow]

Originally Posted by Scarecrow

I just walk away, not wanting to appear judgemental or be accused of being a crusty old fart.

Example, RC took me aside and told me what an ass I looked like in my OD sweater, black pants and stupid black helmet. Wolfpack adopted me and Morb and Clay mentored me on virtually every other aspect of the game and Viking came along and raised the bar yet again - to the point where I am working out 3 times a week and doing 17k ruck marches.... for fun...

Sometimes criticism IS GOOD. It makes you rethink positions that you otherwise would continue with unabated and there are a NUMBER of people in the community that are immune to any kind of advice or correction and who thus will never consider another point of view or develop further into the game. Thats what I am talking about...

and HR, shoot me a copy of that pic or a link! I'm behind the camera so much I rarely get to see myself... Rawdon was a first for me...

EDIT: KEWL! Thanks!

[testtube]

HR I've been playing for 6 years now. and let me tell you as one of the orginizers @ the Foxden in wich I have help build it to what it is as wells as many other people in the comunity. COMUNITY is the main word in this post I have seen people come and people go and people be banned for there stupidity, yes people may not alway adree on a decision people make but, I will fight t'ill I can't fight no more for the Ottawa comunity.
It's funny how people make comments like wow not to many new players, then in the same breath say hope the sport is not dying. Well I will tell you it's like a wave from year to year. and yes you get some asshats that come in in those waves. it's a fact of life. One way we have dealt with asshats is we have a little game called preaditor. and belive me after they run that gauntlet they call there hits.

I think we should start an orginization for the milsim games in other words have a panel of people vets and new ( with experience) to place a tag on a milsim game Ie a backing from the orginization aswell as there marl of aproval on the scenario as a Milsim.

Originally Posted by testtube

I think we should start an orginization for the milsim games in other words have a panel of people vets and new ( with experience) to place a tag on a milsim game Ie a backing from the orginization aswell as there marl of aproval on the scenario as a Milsim.

Been there, done that. It fell apart out of lack of participation, buy-in, and cooperation.

There are some simple rules here.

1) If you don't want to play milsim, don't go to a milsim game. We don't want skirmishers there.

2) If you don't want to skirmish, don't go to skirmishes. They don't want you there either.

3) If you decide to go to a skirmish, then skirmish and deal with it. It is what it is.

4) If you decide to go to a milsim game, work your way up to them so you can COMMIT to the entire event and not walk off the field to throw on your pyjamas. Be prepared to live in the field for the length of the operation, and that means being self-supported and carrying everything you might need with you; there's no "going to the safe are to bomb up" at Milsim games; you hit the field and it's GAME TIME until the whistle blows.

Milsim games rely on participation, so if you show up for a 24hr op you're IN THE GAME for the duration. If you can't do that, then don't show up.

5) When a host calls for volunteers, STEP UP and HELP. Good games take a LOT of work to set up and run, and every little bit helps.

6) Milsim is immersion. If you show up in sneakers and a t-shirt you're hurting the experience for the people who invested a pile of money in accurate representations of the units they're portraying. Some of us have not only spent a pile of money on this, but we've worked ourselves physically to the point where we can perform in this stuff. Again, for some, it's about the experience, not the kills. I could care less if I go an entire day without snapping off a round. I was there, that's what counts.

As for the whole "Vets" issue, Scarecrow hit the nail on the head, at least for me. I just don't give a shit anymore. Too many times people ask for advice, and when you give it, they just throw it out the window or find some reason to ignore it. Why fucking ask then?

There are also more than a few of us who are tired of the fucking drivel we see around here. There's an age gap for sure, and age brings maturity; maturity brings concentration, and concentration is required for Milsim. So maybe the slow demise of milsim is more a result of so many fucking children in the sport now, and the old-timers gradually hanging it up as real life gets in the way.

[HellRanger]

Good points Mad, I fully agree with you.

Very well put and thanks for your input.

Sad to see that not many comments have been made by Quebec players thus far.

Migth be the language barrier again or are they simply ignoring this thread.

It has been a good read so far and lots of good/similar points have been made.

Keep 'em coming.

This thread might be useful afterall... Lots of hits, so I hope people are reading the comments being made and are learning a few things here and there.

[Raven]

HEy... you forget my post

Also, i think that the old "vets" are idiots and have absolutely no idea what they are talking about, ....you know with all these years playing and organizing...what understanding coudl they possibly have???????.... VIVA LA NEW GENERATION!!! (not!)

[Primus]

Originally Posted by Scarecrow

This shit's like herpes, you've can't get rid of it and when it flares up you wake up one morning with $3k missing out of your credit line and a brand new set of gear (guilty).

Give this man some Valtrex because he hit the nail on the head! A few years back I quit because I got fed up with certain playing styles, personalities, the perception of rampant cheating and running ASC was getting to be too damn much. Long story short, I never stopped thinking about airsoft when I'd given it up and now I'm back in and enjoying every moment of it.

Like Viking said, you get out of it what you put in it and you can't make it any simpler than that. HR, if you're thinking of quiting maybe you should but only on a temporary basis. Stow your shit away (don't sell it) in the closet, forget about airsoft for a while then come back when you're hungry for it and with a fresh perspective. You'll start enjoying things again, I guarantee!

[HellRanger]

Yes Jon, you are getting old...er.

"not many comments have been made by Quebec players"

This implies that some have been made, but not many!

Originally Posted by Raven

HEy... you forget my post

Also, i think that the old "vets" are idiots and have absolutely no idea what they are talking about, ....you know with all these years playing and organizing...what understanding coudl they possibly have???????.... VIVA LA NEW GENERATION!!! (not!)

[Raven]

lol

[Jackals]

Lets bring back Op Capital Thunder again. Never made it out to it before, but hey, we need a good milsim game in the Ottawa/MTL area.

[CDN_Stalker]

HellRanger, if you quit, who am I gonna carry on the "shooting frogs" inside joke between us with?!?

[Sierra]

There are a lot of good arguments in this thread so far and notice that most of them are IN FAVOR OF YOU NOT QUITTING! Don't do something so permanent as giving up on a sport you know you love and have invested so much in. Raven's and Madmorbius’ points I think are ideal: select the games you want to attend and avoid those people that are annoying. As a well recognized and respected “vet” you most probably get invited to more than enough private events to fill a season adequately so that you can usually skip on moron-filled games. Plus, there will always be less-than-ideal people that need to start somewhere, I'm sure I wasn't that great in my first year.

I noticed that I have been at it for a while and I'm sure that I had to deal with stupid people every season, yet I just remember the cool ones I met and the good moments in the games. Hence "the good old days" were probably pretty much the way things are now. There have been up-years and down-years too, years with a lot of players and years with a lot less, same for games and all. Maybe this is just one of those population volume up years.

On the whole, airsoft has always been THE sport for me, I have never really been disappointed, and remain unable to find anything else like it. I went through some mood changes about it too. Such as being worried? Yes. Annoyed? At times. Pissed? A couple of times. But never anything that would lead me to leave altogether. Actually, I find that the airsofting community is filled with people that are nicer than average and definitely more helpful. Eventhough we are all gun-totting, BDU-dressed weirdos.

Don't quit man, you are an amazingly respected and recognized member of a good community, I think your thread proves that, and veterans have a responsibility to help guide the remainder of the community. Whether actively or passively, that is a choice people can make and change as the mood dictates.

[jakster]

Hellranger you better not quit, I'll miss your puppy dog eyes when your "low" and I have to force feed you an orange to bring you back up. Alot of good points being made here and glad to read some of the comments from people that are sharing the same thoughts as myself.

[bruce]

Steven, only you can decide on how much you want to stay in the game. It's not about "vets", which I hate the term, against new players. Milsim against skirmishes or who has the better gear. It's about learning and working with someone you don't know that will make you a better person.

When people talk about leaving the game because it's not what they had hoped, it sadens me to hear that they are throwing in the towel because life itself is not a bed of roses. If you tell me that, you're leaving because you've outgrown your interest in the game, then, I wish you all the happiness in your next endeavor.

The age gap has played a major role on how games are run for what I'm seeing. Hell, I can say that when I first started playing, I was all gung-ho to get my first kill and might have burst out screaming "I got one, I got one!" when I did have a hit on another player. That was when I was 35 years old. I can imagine that a 18-20 year old would do the same thing with more energy. I've since relaxed my emotions on the field and I can't blame the newer players from showing their's.

I want to play and I can switch from milsim to skirmish like turning on a light. If we play a milsim and the other team treat the game like a skirmish and do things that are against the game rules, well, I'm sure our boys in the sandbox are experiencing the same thing and I just go with what there is. It can make it more challenging for oneself to adapt to the unknown. I do learn from playing with new players as they give an unpredictatable influence to the game play.

I know the new players want to learn and it's all about how you pass that info to them. You treat them like you would treat an experience player, with respect. I can say that by doing this, all it has brought me is a lot of embarassment because I feel bad when I go to a field and players would come up to me and say "Hi Bruce" and I would not know who they were. Please excuse me if anyone reading this has done this to me. I'm just Old! lol

Take a break from the game if you want but it will be sad for all of us if you leave for the wrong reasons. The good guys out-number the bad guys by a million times.

your pal,
Pius

[Red Tiger]

Hey HR.

Don't quit for them, instead find the players you love to play with and stick with them..

The quebec Community has a very large problem in term of hostility and lack of respect. Make you own group where you will be please to play and know that the level of game your are looking at will be acceptable.

I drop the towel this years and you know what : I feel much better.

Sometimes you have to take a step back and think about it.

I hope you will find back the flame that airsoft was to you.

Good luck

Jean-Francois.

JF