POLL: MG36 as acceptable lmg yay or nay?

Ricochet · July 14th, 2014, 04:58

Airsoft isn't real, it's a simulation or a combat based sport. The idea behind running or not running an LMG is the extra ammo capacity. Box mags, drum mags, high-caps, etc are usually banned. If they are allowed mostly it's in an LMG to be properly used as a support weapon. From here there are two trains if thought to consider; firstly is your gun competitive against what's on the field, can it do its job, or are you just trying to look cool and/or have more ammo than everyone else? Second is the ammo capacity. Those magazines are banned for a reason, basically sportsmanship. So if there is a heavy gunner/support class that allows them, the big, heavy, cumbersome LMG comes with it as a balancing point. There is no clever way to make an ultra-light proper LMG, or turn your not LMG into a bullshit variant. That would all defeat the purpose of the sportsmanship rules. Essentially you'd be running a nice light gun with a massive ammo capacity, having a lot more than everyone else. Get a full sized or run standard 30/40 round magazines. Those are your two options.

Battlemage · July 14th, 2014, 05:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ricochet

Airsoft isn't real, it's a simulation or a combat based sport. The idea behind running or not running an LMG is the extra ammo capacity. Box mags, drum mags, high-caps, etc are usually banned. If they are allowed mostly it's in an LMG to be properly used as a support weapon. From here there are two trains if thought to consider; firstly is your gun competitive against what's on the field, can it do its job, or are you just trying to look cool and/or have more ammo than everyone else? Second is the ammo capacity. Those magazines are banned for a reason, basically sportsmanship. So if there is a heavy gunner/support class that allows them, the big, heavy, cumbersome LMG comes with it as a balancing point. There is no clever way to make an ultra-light proper LMG, or turn your not LMG into a bullshit variant. That would all defeat the purpose of the sportsmanship rules. Essentially you'd be running a nice light gun with a massive ammo capacity, having a lot more than everyone else. Get a full sized or run standard 30/40 round magazines. Those are your two options.

Due to wind, leaves and very short engagement distances I would say in outdoor play it takes four bbs to accomplish the intended outcome on average. This is why midcaps don't bother all but the most hardcore milsims.

SuperCriollo · July 17th, 2014, 11:07

How would you guys feel about the Galil ARM being used as an LMG ? It's another mag fed LMG which, like others wasn't very successful or widespread. some countries still use it as such though.

DrunkenTeddy · July 17th, 2014, 12:12

C-mags are bulky, hard to carry extras, finicky (at least the ones I've seen), and they rattle. Similar down sides to carrying an actual LMG except the weight of the gun itself, but then you look at the Ares Stoner, it weighs less than many regular AEGs, so maybe that's a moot point. I don't like the idea of a field full of kids with M4's and G36's with C-mags in them, but there are real life equivalents of these guns, and there are still disadvantages to carrying this kind of weapon. If I were organizing a game with magazine limits I would allow any LMG that the real life equivalent can be belt fed, if someone showed up on a game day with a C-mag I would assess the number of support guns already on each team. If the ratio of support guns to regular guns was low (less than one per 5) and the number of support guns was higher on one team, I would allow a c-mag fed gun to play on a team that is short on support gunners.

This is of course my own opinion on the matter, and personally I would caution people away from even bothering with C-mag's merely because this opinion is going to change from game to game and if you really want to play the support gunner role you should probably pick up a traditional LMG to ensure game organizers will let you use it. I wouldn't want to show up to a game with a c-mag fed gun and have to argue with a game organizer to get it onto the field.

CarpentryHero · July 17th, 2014, 14:49

I'd love to see more LMG guns hit the market, I do like drunkenTeddy's description of allowing c mag guns only if a team is short support gunners.

I kind of deal that way about DMR's, there not snipers, but if the role is vacant and there gun isn't firing to hot, then why not right?
I don't feel that dmr should be aloud to shoot any hotter than assault rifles, but there are people with loadouts that do just fine out ranging via scope and longer tightbore barrel

I'm just glad that this is nothing like CallOfDuty, where LMG's can fill in for marksmen in a pinch

ThunderCactus · July 17th, 2014, 17:00

What if we limit aegs to lowcaps and allow midcaps only for mag fed LMGs?

Cliffradical · July 17th, 2014, 17:20

A smart gunner rolling with a regular squad only loads 300-400 in the drum, fills out the rest of the ammo allowance with regular mags for his squad, and only engages when directed to do so anyway. While I see and accept all arguments here, I'm afraid I don't really understand the problem.

It sounds like another case for the platinum rule; 'Don't be a Dick'.
Are proper MG36s not gigantic, or is it really that proper MG36s don't really exist in airsoft? I'm pretty sure I've handled an Ares MG36, and it was like holding 4ft long alien manparts with an awkward aim-hole. That's less-worse than carrying around the clanky cinderblock that is any 249, the transmission block that is any m60, or the godless communist bullshit that is anything else, but I can't see it conveying any real advantage that isn't somehow offset by it being an HR Giger phallic symbol.

(Clarification for '36 lovers: I am bagging on you in good fun, not actually being a hater)

Cliffradical · July 17th, 2014, 17:28

Half-joking pedantic argument:
Are accurate, ~400fps single-shot shotguns sniper weapons?
Answer:
Not when used 'properly', but yes, I've seen it.

kullwarrior · July 17th, 2014, 17:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperCriollo

How would you guys feel about the Galil ARM being used as an LMG ? It's another mag fed LMG which, like others wasn't very successful or widespread. some countries still use it as such though.

But counter-strke put it as an assault rifle...(sarcasm)

Drake · July 17th, 2014, 17:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battlemage

Due to wind, leaves and very short engagement distances I would say in outdoor play it takes four bbs to accomplish the intended outcome on average. This is why midcaps don't bother all but the most hardcore milsims.

Wind, leaves and everything else affect everyone the same way, therefor the effects are scaled evenly for everyone.

The major difference you experience in realcap games is people are shooting/spraying for nothing (or those that do run dry in a big hurry).

Having to conserve ammo changes the game dynamics significantly.

ThunderCactus · July 17th, 2014, 22:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cliffradical

Half-joking pedantic argument:
Are accurate, ~400fps single-shot shotguns sniper weapons?
Answer:
Not when used 'properly', but yes, I've seen it.

Im amazed how goddamn accurate some of those clear walmart shotties are. Downright upsetting. Throw a scope on that bitch and you're a sniper.

DrunkenTeddy · July 18th, 2014, 02:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThunderCactus

Im amazed how goddamn accurate some of those clear walmart shotties are. Downright upsetting. Throw a scope on that bitch and you're a sniper.

I remember one of the first games I ever went to a guy was sporting some pos walmart clearsoft and kicking butt with it. Sometimes the player is more important :P (that being said screw clearsoft lol)

Chlorum · April 3rd, 2017, 02:31

I'd say yay.
I haven't seen MG36 at the games often. Can't say it's being abused. Full-sized G36 is a rare visitor on airsoft fields, people usually go with G36C.

About belt-feeding as a criteria of LMG/non-LMG. Okay, now we have Krytac LMG which is literally a belt-fed M4. And KAC Stoner. Much better candidates for "speedsofting". They weigh about the same as MG36 and way shorter. I'm not even talking about RPK, especially the full steel one by LCT...

ThunderCactus · April 3rd, 2017, 21:37

This was more of an issue 3yrs ago when the last post was made lol

Airsoft compromise; assault rifles semi only, LSWs allowed full auto but still can't use highcaps, and belt fed MGs allowed box mags?
Shrike still has a quick change barrel, so it's close to being a legit LMG (was it the shrike or stoner 63 that got the military contract then failed to provide any guns?)
Fact of the matter is, new technology, new materials, new propellants; today's MGs just aint your grandpa's M1919 browning MG.
They're getting lighter, but the role is also changing to shoot less bullets and be more accurate.

LMGs in general don't seem to be very common anymore. I gave mine up for something much lighter that's just as effective.

Cliffradical · April 3rd, 2017, 23:11

I have this A&K 249 Para which at one time struck fear into the hearts of many a noob.
Now, unless I'm playing specific games with specific people in a specific style, I just couldn't be bothered.

The shitbox MP5 and the unicorn 33E are just far better options, unless there's an element present which makes lugging a microwave oven around fun.

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July 14th, 2014, 04:58	#76
Ricochet How much sand CAN you fit in your vagina!? Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: North Delta, BC (Greater Vancouver)	Airsoft isn't real, it's a simulation or a combat based sport. The idea behind running or not running an LMG is the extra ammo capacity. Box mags, drum mags, high-caps, etc are usually banned. If they are allowed mostly it's in an LMG to be properly used as a support weapon. From here there are two trains if thought to consider; firstly is your gun competitive against what's on the field, can it do its job, or are you just trying to look cool and/or have more ammo than everyone else? Second is the ammo capacity. Those magazines are banned for a reason, basically sportsmanship. So if there is a heavy gunner/support class that allows them, the big, heavy, cumbersome LMG comes with it as a balancing point. There is no clever way to make an ultra-light proper LMG, or turn your not LMG into a bullshit variant. That would all defeat the purpose of the sportsmanship rules. Essentially you'd be running a nice light gun with a massive ammo capacity, having a lot more than everyone else. Get a full sized or run standard 30/40 round magazines. Those are your two options. __________________ I have developed a new sport called Airhard. Pretty much the same as Airsoft, except you have to maintain an erection...

July 17th, 2014, 11:07	#78
SuperCriollo Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Kitchener, ON	How would you guys feel about the Galil ARM being used as an LMG ? It's another mag fed LMG which, like others wasn't very successful or widespread. some countries still use it as such though. __________________ SuperCriollo

July 17th, 2014, 12:12	#79
DrunkenTeddy FatJ Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Langley, BC	C-mags are bulky, hard to carry extras, finicky (at least the ones I've seen), and they rattle. Similar down sides to carrying an actual LMG except the weight of the gun itself, but then you look at the Ares Stoner, it weighs less than many regular AEGs, so maybe that's a moot point. I don't like the idea of a field full of kids with M4's and G36's with C-mags in them, but there are real life equivalents of these guns, and there are still disadvantages to carrying this kind of weapon. If I were organizing a game with magazine limits I would allow any LMG that the real life equivalent can be belt fed, if someone showed up on a game day with a C-mag I would assess the number of support guns already on each team. If the ratio of support guns to regular guns was low (less than one per 5) and the number of support guns was higher on one team, I would allow a c-mag fed gun to play on a team that is short on support gunners. This is of course my own opinion on the matter, and personally I would caution people away from even bothering with C-mag's merely because this opinion is going to change from game to game and if you really want to play the support gunner role you should probably pick up a traditional LMG to ensure game organizers will let you use it. I wouldn't want to show up to a game with a c-mag fed gun and have to argue with a game organizer to get it onto the field.

July 17th, 2014, 14:49	#80
CarpentryHero Trader rating Join Date: May 2014 Location: Morinville Alberta	I'd love to see more LMG guns hit the market, I do like drunkenTeddy's description of allowing c mag guns only if a team is short support gunners. I kind of deal that way about DMR's, there not snipers, but if the role is vacant and there gun isn't firing to hot, then why not right? I don't feel that dmr should be aloud to shoot any hotter than assault rifles, but there are people with loadouts that do just fine out ranging via scope and longer tightbore barrel I'm just glad that this is nothing like CallOfDuty, where LMG's can fill in for marksmen in a pinch

July 17th, 2014, 17:00	#81
ThunderCactus Not Eye Safe, Pretty Boy Maximus on the field take his picture! Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2007	What if we limit aegs to lowcaps and allow midcaps only for mag fed LMGs?

July 17th, 2014, 17:20	#82
Cliffradical butthurt for not having a user title Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Winnipeg	A smart gunner rolling with a regular squad only loads 300-400 in the drum, fills out the rest of the ammo allowance with regular mags for his squad, and only engages when directed to do so anyway. While I see and accept all arguments here, I'm afraid I don't really understand the problem. It sounds like another case for the platinum rule; 'Don't be a Dick'. Are proper MG36s not gigantic, or is it really that proper MG36s don't really exist in airsoft? I'm pretty sure I've handled an Ares MG36, and it was like holding 4ft long alien manparts with an awkward aim-hole. That's less-worse than carrying around the clanky cinderblock that is any 249, the transmission block that is any m60, or the godless communist bullshit that is anything else, but I can't see it conveying any real advantage that isn't somehow offset by it being an HR Giger phallic symbol. (Clarification for '36 lovers: I am bagging on you in good fun, not actually being a hater)

July 17th, 2014, 17:28	#83
Cliffradical butthurt for not having a user title Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Winnipeg	Half-joking pedantic argument: Are accurate, ~400fps single-shot shotguns sniper weapons? Answer: Not when used 'properly', but yes, I've seen it.

April 3rd, 2017, 02:31	#88
Chlorum Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Coquitlam, BC	I'd say yay. I haven't seen MG36 at the games often. Can't say it's being abused. Full-sized G36 is a rare visitor on airsoft fields, people usually go with G36C. About belt-feeding as a criteria of LMG/non-LMG. Okay, now we have Krytac LMG which is literally a belt-fed M4. And KAC Stoner. Much better candidates for "speedsofting". They weigh about the same as MG36 and way shorter. I'm not even talking about RPK, especially the full steel one by LCT... Last edited by Chlorum; April 3rd, 2017 at 02:36..

April 3rd, 2017, 21:37	#89
ThunderCactus Not Eye Safe, Pretty Boy Maximus on the field take his picture! Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2007	This was more of an issue 3yrs ago when the last post was made lol Airsoft compromise; assault rifles semi only, LSWs allowed full auto but still can't use highcaps, and belt fed MGs allowed box mags? Shrike still has a quick change barrel, so it's close to being a legit LMG (was it the shrike or stoner 63 that got the military contract then failed to provide any guns?) Fact of the matter is, new technology, new materials, new propellants; today's MGs just aint your grandpa's M1919 browning MG. They're getting lighter, but the role is also changing to shoot less bullets and be more accurate. LMGs in general don't seem to be very common anymore. I gave mine up for something much lighter that's just as effective.

April 3rd, 2017, 23:11	#90
Cliffradical butthurt for not having a user title Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Winnipeg	I have this A&K 249 Para which at one time struck fear into the hearts of many a noob. Now, unless I'm playing specific games with specific people in a specific style, I just couldn't be bothered. The shitbox MP5 and the unicorn 33E are just far better options, unless there's an element present which makes lugging a microwave oven around fun.

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