SRC G36's series impact on prices on other G36's?

[CowboyUp]

I have an SRC M933, the lowest of the low as far as SRC goes. I love it, it feels great, shoots great, and seems reliable. The only reason I bought it, is because I needed a starter gun, and something to use as a sidearm come summer when I snipe. Plus, I've always had pistols so I thought when my MGC died, it was time to grab an AEG. I've personally held the SRC G36s, and all I can say is they feel great. I haven't field tested them or anything, but Ken from 007 has, and even has a review on Youtube about the new Gen III SRC. I'd say, as has already been said, it's more a personal preference.
Personally, if it were up to me, I'd have a full-metal gun, but at that point I was desperate and needed something right away, and Ken is about 20 minutes from me. The smoked receiver is also way better than most cansoft, it's a whole lot darker and other than that it's plastic, to look at it you almost can't tell (Especially for CQB, where here it's very dark)

[etd]

I don't agree with the anti SRC comments. The SRC Gen I products are terrible (my opinion) but the SRC Gen 3 products are amazing, evne if you take away the clear lower, the internals can handle A LOT of abuse. They DON'T need to be re-wired and they have no wobble (the G36s anyways - can't speak for the M4 variants as I've never used them). I say this because a few of the team members I recently played with purchased them and they have nothing but positive comments to say about them. why buy a CA g36... its still a plastic lower... Grab some Kyrlon for $10 and save yourself $150. Honestly .... Ontop of that the upgrade cost for a CA to match the new SRC's quality alone with worth the buy. The worth thing that can happen is you have to spend another $380.... to upgrade the CA to meet the SRC you'd almost have enough to buy two SRCs....


Be smart and save money or go with a brand you trust. The choice is yours and everyone is entitled to their own opinion but let me add that even KEN is backing them over the G&G models.

[ujiro]

How would a CA need upgrading to get to the level of the SRC? CA is very high quality these days...

[MrBond]

Having opened an SRC and a CA, the frame of the CA is vastly superior to te SRC wich actually surprised me. I was also disapointed that the SRC, althought made out of a similar material than the CA, uses 2 part molding while CA is a one piece injection molding. They both leave similar seam lines but injection molding is much sturdier (it's actually a bit more complicated than that but people familiar with resin molding will know what I mean).

The barrel assembly of the SRC is all plastic similar to the Echo1 series where CA is all metal wich to me makes all the difference. The first time I opened up a CA, I was actually surprised on how much metal there is inside, it almost completely covers the entire frame except for the magwell. On paper tho, for the mechbox internals, SRC seems to be better (I didn't open that yet and I'm no mechbox expert...).

To sum up, CA vs SRC basically amounts to good externals vs good internals in my opinion... (note that CA's internals aren't that bad at all tho)

[aZn_triXta07]

Originally Posted by MrBond

Having opened an SRC and a CA, the frame of the CA is vastly superior to te SRC wich actually surprised me. I was also disapointed that the SRC, althought made out of a similar material than the CA, uses 2 part molding while CA is a one piece injection molding. They both leave similar seam lines but injection molding is much sturdier (it's actually a bit more complicated than that but people familiar with resin molding will know what I mean).

The barrel assembly of the SRC is all plastic similar to the Echo1 series where CA is all metal wich to me makes all the difference. The first time I opened up a CA, I was actually surprised on how much metal there is inside, it almost completely covers the entire frame except for the magwell. On paper tho, for the mechbox internals, SRC seems to be better (I didn't open that yet and I'm no mechbox expert...).

To sum up, CA vs SRC basically amounts to good externals vs good internals in my opinion... (note that CA's internals aren't that bad at all tho)

Excellent.

People need to remember that internals are not restricted, you can buy a new gearbox or have one custom built by yourself whenever you want anytime you want.

A quality receiver makes a difference, what's the point in having a Systema M120 Gearbox in a Walmart M4? Yes you can put one in but why?

[baker_Jeff]

Originally Posted by Crunchmeister

The issue with the china cansoft guns is that the market is cornered by a couple of distributors that work tirelessly to be the exclusive importers / distributors of those brands in Canada. That's why the CAS G&G and KJW guns sell for well over 2x what their comparable foreign models (often full metal guns) cost out of country.

So far, the only 2 importers that I can see have fair prices with reasonable markups on their goods are Velocity Arms with their new custom JG line, and Mach 1 with their ICS line. If you compare prices to US pricing for the equivalent non-clear products, you'll find that the markup is 1.5-2x, rather than the 2-3x from the others.

I haven't read through the entire thread yet, but I'd like to comment on this.

Most people don't give credit to the overhead costs of a business. We'll take CAS for example. (I haven't talked to them about this, just going by what I know they must deal with).

Rent: They have to pay rent on their location/warehouse. People here probably have no idea how ridiculous commercial real estate is in Alberta. It's out the window. They probably pay more in rent a month than some of you make in two.

Aquiring more business/products: My sales rep is out of town on a business trip. Hopefully to bring in more products/selection. Who do you think has to cover this cost?

Taxes/Income tax: I'm glad lots of "retailers" have the benefit of not charging GST/tax and being registered with the government, but CAS, myself and others have to answer to the Man at the end of the year.

Import/Brokerage Fees: We have to pay big taxes and fees on everything we bring into the country. This really adds up, especially on a crate with a value of $5000+?

Warranty/Damage: Things get broken and damaged before they go out the door and after. Is it worth it to ship stuff back to China or Taiwan? No, the business eats that cost.

Anyway, that's enough of the picture. Hope I don't sound too harsh or like this is pointed towards anyone in particular, I just want to defend from a business point of view why business' like CAS charge what they do. It costs ALOT of money to do what we do.

Good thing I love it .

Jeff

[surebet]

Originally Posted by baker_Jeff

I haven't read through the entire thread yet, but I'd like to comment on this.

Most people don't give credit to the overhead costs of a business. We'll take CAS for example. (I haven't talked to them about this, just going by what I know they must deal with).

Rent: They have to pay rent on their location/warehouse. People here probably have no idea how ridiculous commercial real estate is in Alberta. It's out the window. They probably pay more in rent a month than some of you make in two.

Aquiring more business/products: My sales rep is out of town on a business trip. Hopefully to bring in more products/selection. Who do you think has to cover this cost?

Taxes/Income tax: I'm glad lots of "retailers" have the benefit of not charging GST/tax and being registered with the government, but CAS, myself and others have to answer to the Man at the end of the year.

Import/Brokerage Fees: We have to pay big taxes and fees on everything we bring into the country. This really adds up, especially on a crate with a value of $5000+?

Warranty/Damage: Things get broken and damaged before they go out the door and after. Is it worth it to ship stuff back to China or Taiwan? No, the business eats that cost.

Anyway, that's enough of the picture. Hope I don't sound too harsh or like this is pointed towards anyone in particular, I just want to defend from a business point of view why business' like CAS charge what they do. It costs ALOT of money to do what we do.

Good thing I love it .

Jeff

This.

Unless there is significant policy change in Canada, we'll never see sub-hundred cheap guns like in the states.

Also, I'd rather pay a 50-125% markup on a quality item than a 400% markup on lower tier stuff.

Furthermore, as elitist as it may sound, I like the concept of a significant financial barrier of entry into this hobby.

[The Saint]

Originally Posted by surebet

Unless there is significant policy change in Canada, we'll never see sub-hundred cheap guns like in the states.

A significant change in the Canadian population is more like it. This whole cost thing isn't limited to airsoft.

The cost of a great deal of goods is higher in Canada and will likely never beat the US. We simply don't have the market size to for many businesses to live off volume at the expense of unit price the same way they can in more populated countries.

[Gato]

I dunno, I still cringe at the thought of clearsoft, it's what I got into this sport to avoid: Things that don't look real.

[Conker]

I don't care for skirmishes, but I think that milsim hosts should seriously consider a "clearsoft ban" (that include whatever isn't "full color").

I don't mean banning G&G, ICS, SRC, KWA, blah blah cansoft and all that, but simply that players participating with these guns should paint them prior to their participation in the event. Krylon is cheap and quite easy to do...

[KoolAidMan]

krylon is cheap but not everyone has the skills to apply a perfect paintjob .

i think that kinda holds some folks back

hell i had one guy say he wanted an all tinted gun wich would look baddass if if it was a gas blow back rifle

[Ayashifx55]

guy's i'm not complaining, i'm just asking for opinions about the pricing SRC vs TM/CA g36 whether its worth purchasing considering SRC offers lots of goodies VS fully stocks for extra 150$ (+other upgrades, it'll jump fast lol). That's all !

But here's a complete review on the TSD G36 Gen III (TSD = SRC) http://www.airsoftretreat.com/review...ate=1178931043 if anyone was looking for one.

This is a good picture of SIDE BY SIDE SRC/TSD & CA http://www.airsoftretreat.com/images.../TSDG36e/8.jpg

We can notice a big difference right away, SRC/TSD is more plastic finished.

[CowboyUp]

On 007 Ken did a review of the internals of SRCs Gen 3, if that helps. I believe he may have done one on the actual gun itself. Realizing this is from the retailer who happens to also be the distributor, but I believe Ken's got a pretty good reputation around here and elsewhere, and is a pretty honest guy (I've dealt with him quite a bit myself).

[Conker]

Three seconds on Google:
http://www.popularairsoft.com/reviews/src-cg36k-and-c

And one in french:
http://www.france-airsoft.fr/forum/i...owtopic=121654

[kalnaren]

Originally Posted by Crunchmeister

Actually, it's not supply and demand at all, as there is a healthy supply available. It's an uwarranted, greed-based "popularity markup" that's charged just because there's a demand for these GBBR products and people are willing to pay it, regardless of the ample supply. If these Cansoft ones were available outside of Canada, their prices would be significantly lower - probably lower than the non-clear versions - and we could order them ourselves for those prices. I, for one, refuse to buy these products for that very reason. And I call bullshit on anyone who starts claiming "high import fees" and such to warrant these retarded prices.

THIS.

I agree completely. I still don't get why the hell anyone would buy a G&G halfbreed when a full metal version is available for $100 - $150 more.

I don't know about anyone else either -and I'm perfectly willing to accept that this may not be true and is due to my bias- but has anyone noticed that halfbreeds have been gradually increasing in price?