Toronto indoor field pricing poll

[Moz]

cost of property in toronto is very high, also.

[baraccuda]

what else would you want to see?

make it it like an urban op. street's, cars, kick in doors. ect

[Zeonprime]

Originally Posted by quaestor

my travel to and from the field is at least 2 hours. Given the fuel costs and my driving time,

What are you? My grandmother? 2 hrs? I can hit cambridge from Oshawa in 1hr10min (yes I've timed it...since I live in waterloo and work in Oshawa). Quaestor, that peddle on the right is called the accelerator...push down you go faster JK



Ahh indoor field. Some of the SD tried doing this a good number of years ago. it was easier to open an outdoor field (Which many thanks to the previous tenants of that field for laying down the groundwork! Just so you know!!).

What are the hours, have you taken staffing into account? 5 day a week operation, 7 days? hours of operations?

[Trict]

Originally Posted by Zeonprime

Ahh indoor field. Some of the SD tried doing this a good number of years ago. it was easier to open an outdoor field (Which many thanks to the previous tenants of that field for laying down the groundwork! Just so you know!!).

What are the hours, have you taken staffing into account? 5 day a week operation, 7 days? hours of operations?

Sure opening an outdoor field could be easier, but those already exist. An indoor field can be done with the right numbers but that's for us to figure out, the idea of this thread was to see what people would want for an indoor field.

[Brian McIlmoyle]

Attributes for an indoor field.

Street scape.. with cars.. mail boxes, benches..

Buildings with multiple levels.. including basement levels.

What you are trying to acheive is the ability to do Urban scenarios that lead to CQB engagements.

One of the most important things is an environment that changes. You need to be able to offer new set ups and scenarios with changing set ups to keep it fresh. This will require a lot of design and planing to go into the set up of a permanent environment. Some structures will need to be fixed.. while others could be mobile..

One of the strengths of what we have at TTAC3 is the ability to set up very different environments every time we play.. and even the ability to change the set up within the same session.
This keeps things fresh and we can make set ups tailored to the goals of the session.
For example .. sometimes we will set up a random field for informal open skirmishing. Other times we set up structures in depth for progressive entry and breaching. The size of the space limits the scale of what we can do .. but certaily the reconfigurable walls afford substantial scope.

[Trict]

Originally Posted by Brian McIlmoyle

Attributes for an indoor field.

Street scape.. with cars.. mail boxes, benches..

Buildings with multiple levels.. including basement levels.

What you are trying to acheive is the ability to do Urban scenarios that lead to CQB engagements.

One of the most important things is an environment that changes. You need to be able to offer new set ups and scenarios with changing set ups to keep it fresh. This will require a lot of design and planing to go into the set up of a permanent environment. Some structures will need to be fixed.. while others could be mobile..

One of the strengths of what we have at TTAC3 is the ability to set up very different environments every time we play.. and even the ability to change the set up within the same session.
This keeps things fresh and we can make set ups tailored to the goals of the session.
For example .. sometimes we will set up a random field for informal open skirmishing. Other times we set up structures in depth for progressive entry and breaching. The size of the space limits the scale of what we can do .. but certaily the reconfigurable walls afford substantial scope.

I agree that a modular field is the way to go, otherwise things would get stale pretty quickly. If we were to build substantial enough walls to take abuse from everyone, on the fly layout changes wouldn't be very easy to do, maybe every week or two though.

Multiple stories would require high ceilings on the building and could become an insurance issue, those structures would have to be permanent, but it's something to look into.

[HUH]

We have a place that we play indoor in calgary. We are charged 20$ a night and we play from 7-11. The location is also used for lazer tag. So there is a idea rather than paintball. No mess and grime with lazer tag only little kid birthday parties and wussies. There is a pro shop there and I think that they do all right or at least turn a profit.

[Kwokwai]

One of the options that would strengthen your proposition is multi-use property.

You could potentially supplement by setting up as a laser tag/airsoft type environment. Same layouts and clean!!

edit: whoops, ended up entering the same info as the previous poster.

[thephenom]

Hire a gun doc, accessories/supplies store, and perhaps a testing/shooting competitor range could help business.

With availability of chinasoft now from buyairsoft, you can look into rental services.

Not sure how familiar you are with airsoft, but I think having the knowledge to repair AEGs/GBBs as a owner can certainly help reduce cost a lot.

[Brian McIlmoyle]

But the reality is without the $1.5 million it takes to set something like this up

This is all just soo much talk ... that frankly has been said before.

What I would like to see is someone come here and say.

I have 2 million dollars and I have incorporated a business and I have a BFL. I need interested airsofters to consult on the establishment of an airsoft only indoor play area to be opened in the GTA within the next 3 months.

That would get my attention.. rather than just make me tired

[Skruface]

Originally Posted by Brian McIlmoyle

The place in MB uses a buy time in 45 minute chunks .. I thnk it is $15 / 45 minute chunk..
So for 4 hours play it would be $80

The place in Manitoba also includes a limited amount of ammo and gas (if necessary) in that price, too.

Originally Posted by trict

Multiple stories would require high ceilings on the building and could become an insurance issue, those structures would have to be permanent, but it's something to look into.

I suggest you look into the legality of this, with regards to fire codes. I know that in Winnipeg part of the reason 2-story structures were kiboshed was because of the fire code, and accessibility for the disabled (wheelchairs) IIRC.

Originally Posted by trict

The Winnipeg field has a permanent setup I believe. Now we don't think that's ideal because it would get boring quickly and once again you wouldn't want to come back after a while, so a modular field would be the solution for this, but there's so much more that could be done, so that's why we're here asking, what else would you want to see.

Whereas the floorplan at Xtreme Tactics is relatively static, it's designed so walls can be moved, windows and doors can be made permanently open or closed to change routes and access points, etc. Structures are moved around on a regular basis, lighting changes....it doesn't get stale. Gord gets an awful lot of repeat business, and not just from MAA/ASC members - he gets a lot of repeat walk-ins...

[Zekk05]

XT prices are as follows
28$ for 1 game, which includes game time, rental of the M15, 4 mags, and protective gear. Other guns have other prices

Have your own gun? 18$, which includes all the above, without the gun.

2nd 3rd 4th ,etc games in the day are half price. (which are as low as 9$ for someone with their own gun).




As per the static thing... the small changes affect the game play big time, so it rarely gets Stale.

[Moz]

Someone mentioned laser tag:

that is an interesting alternative for alternative income instead of making it a paintball field.

What would I like to see?

Nothing.

Find a warehouse with some office space in it. Then open it up and let people play.

You don't need fancy shit. Just rooms, hallways, staircases, a few open areas where things can get interesting, etc.

[The Saint]

I'm going to have to second Morbius. If it's a toss up between yet another indoor field simulating an outdoor environment or an indoor field that's actually an indoor setting, latter's definately more interesting (less common, more novel) IMHO. Especially in the summer, when we can easily go outdoor for an outdoor environment. Plenty of cars and building at FR.