Unlawful Drilling

[anthon]

If this worries you...airsoft is not your sport

[ARC-74]

This came to mind when I read the title

[Still Beating]

First of all, I appreciate all of your replies. Forgive me if I don't touch on all of your posts but I'll try to address all the comments in some way..

Originally Posted by pusangani

... some random law that never gets enforced... somehow there was a disconnect between your weird paranoia and the reality that Airsoft actually exists in canada

Not weird. If they're looking at you and need "anything" to get a grip on you, here's one. Look hard enough and you'll always see what you want to see. Selective enforcing of laws is a huge problem in Canada right now. And to say "never" is not only false, but ignorant.

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

I can see I being used for suspected terrorist training. I doubt it would be applied for Airsoft.

It's illegal for me to run with a firearm. We're not allowed to pick up an SKS or T97 or whatever, prove it safe (this means unloaded), and perform any kind of drills. By drills I mean running, shooting, dropping, shooting, crawling, shooting, rinse & repeat. But, I can pick up an airsoft T97 and do the same drills? The law isn't about safety of the individual, it is specifically about drills and training. We can train ourselves on airsoft versions of real firearms we may already own, and so this law is flawed and illogical.

Originally Posted by Kokanee

That law is in place to prevent another "Red River Rebellion", not to stop people from shooting each other with plastic on the weekends.

Seems to me it is in place to prevent another 1776.

Originally Posted by anthon

If this worries you...airsoft is not your sport

I have a justified reason to be worried. I'm a guy that wants to play airsoft but I also own real versions of some airsoft toys. I don't want to ever get whitewashed by some bureaucrat because I shoot and stockpile ammo and play airsoft.

[scottyfox]

Originally Posted by Still Beating

I have a justified reason to be worried. I'm a guy that wants to play airsoft but I also own real versions of some airsoft toys. I don't want to ever get whitewashed by some bureaucrat because I shoot and stockpile ammo and play airsoft.

As a bureaucrat that has written OiCs, I can assure you, that you have absolutely nothing to worry about regarding that piece of law. Call Justice public affairs if you are worried but they will tell you that any forbidding of what you are talking about would require GinC (again, the GG acting on advice from Cabinet) to make it so, and it would be a huge deal.

[ThunderCactus]

There are training courses for drills and tactics with M4's, those operate with government approval, and you and your buddies can go to ranges are go practice what you've learned. That could easily be construed as terrorist training, but it's 100% legal.

If you want this to be black and white, then yes it's technically against the law. But what judge is going to convict you of playing a sport? The law isn't black and white and it's not enforced by a robot. There's still a person at the other end that needs to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that you are playing airsoft for the purpose of training to do something illegal.

I've played for years, had plenty of peace officers stop by at games we were running, the police was always 100% aware of what we were doing at any given field.
I've received training from various serving and retired veterans, and from guys that have taken dozens of tactical courses. Obviously I practice and employ everything I've learned.
But it's all for the sake of being proficient at my sport.

Stop trying to make a 20 year old sport illegal just because you misinterpreted a law. You're being paranoid.

What is with these sky-is-falling, airsoft is illegal, threads this year?

[scottyfox]

It.
Is.
Not.
Against.
The.
Law.

That piece of law states that the Governor in Council MAY issue an OiC that would make those things illegal. That instrument is not in place, and would only be proclaimed in extreme circumstances (Red River Rebellion is a great example, thanks Josh).

He has not and I will bet all the change in my pocket vs all the change in your pocket that he never will have to.

[lurkingknight]

the LZ was a field owned an operated by a member of the ottawa police service.

How much more proof do you want?

[siggypoo]

I'm happy with that info. I just agree that this topic expressed a concern worth answering.

[Hectic]

So to sum it up, if your team or local field arent funded/ran by the local Al-Qaeda recruitmemt cell, or some of your members arent members of or have ties to them and or are not on some type of watch list. You have a far better chance of getting struck by lightning in the same place twice on a clear sunny day while holding a winning lottery ticket.
many of us are on/have been on teams and with our teams (and on our own) we practice shooting, reloading, flanking, leap frogging, line formations.ect.
Noone i know in the community has ever been accused or investigated as a terrorist or something to that effect.
it just plain isnt going to happen without just cause so like.i mentioned if yer funded by or a member of some type of terrorist group, or you want to train airsoft so you can rob a bank or infiltrate some.sort of sensitive governmemt facility your likely gonna raise a flag and open yourself up to being investigated.
if you want to play and have fund slinning plastic at some like minded people on the weekend, no issues should come to you

[Still Beating]

Thanks for that, you guys. I'm trying not to be paranoid, it is just that where I am from the police are very heavy-handed and "interpretation" isn't their job. At least that's what they keep telling me.

[BloodSport]

Man here I came to this thread to read about someone drilling for oil in someones backyard illegally, and wondering why it was such a hot topic with so many replies.

Please use better descriptions in titles!!!

[BloodSport]

Originally Posted by Still Beating

Thanks for that, you guys. I'm trying not to be paranoid, it is just that where I am from the police are very heavy-handed and "interpretation" isn't their job. At least that's what they keep telling me.

where are you from? updated profiles help and give slightly more props to the poster.

[Still Beating]

Originally Posted by BloodSport

where are you from? updated profiles help and give slightly more props to the poster.

etobicoke. And I'll try to put better descriptions in topic fields from now on.

[pusangani]

Originally Posted by anthon

If this worries you...airsoft is not your sport

exactly, this is not a sport for the timid lol

[Ricochet]

The RCMP have the right to seize or ban certain guns on a whim, it doesn't mean that all guns are illegal. The government can mandate military conscription, it doesn't mean you are currently in the armed forces. This is a reactive law, that "can" be aimed in the direction of an specific issue. Think if it like a light switch. If you are in that room, and the switch is on, then there is a problem. As of right now, the switch is off, and you're in a different room. End of story.