KJW M4 vs WE M4/M16 GBBR?

[ex]

Originally Posted by KenC

Keep in mind that the WE types do not have a real open bolt, while the KJ does.

Ken

Actually the Open Bolt system is available now for the PDW and the conversion for the Scar and Armalites is coming very soon.

[Sky_7]

I have a WE m4 GBB and it is awesome. I bought both co2 and green gas (propane) magazine to find out which one is better. I tuned my laser and scope with propane one first, but then it's not that accurate when I switchted to co2. They are both using .20g and testing range is around 60 feet. Co2 gives more power but it's hard to refill especially when u try to get the co2 bottle out. The gun itself is simply awesome. The only concern is that the realistic-ish noise that it makes could freak out ur neighbours and it's quite loud. Hope this helps

[SKI]

Originally Posted by ex

Actually the Open Bolt system is available now for the PDW and the conversion for the Scar and Armalites is coming very soon.

That makes it an upgrade whereas the KJW has that from the factory. My buddy has the WE and it looks and feels awesome. As far as reliability goes, he's had some problems with it jamming and locking up completely. My KJW was used but with only cosmetic upgrades until I picked it up. I through in the Cradle parts but I still would like to get a tightbore for it. Th e biggest benefit of the KJ is also the weakest point for me. The mags are gas efficient. I have been running three loads on one gas fill with consistency. The problem is that the mags are Thermold style which means that I can't run two in my double mag pouches as they tend to grab each other as I try to pull one out. That bothers me quite a bit as it forces me to have to "bulk up" my vest with more pouches. That being said, I would still take the KJ over the WE.

[ex]

Originally Posted by SKI

That makes it an upgrade whereas the KJW has that from the factory. .

Whilst true yes...they are being produced with the open bolt system now (pdw) and the M4 and scar are coming down the pipe. They will be offering the open bolt to those that want to change their brass tube system.

[HaloSix4]

They have the conversion kit out for the PDW, so I'm sure they would make it for the SCAR and M4's as well.

[GSK88]

I've owned a WE SCAR and an M4, ran both stock at first and in one session on the M4 put close to 1,000 rounds through it, not one single failure of any kind. Threw in the RA Tech NPAS and still had zero problems. This was on a brand new V.3 straight out of the box.

Never seen the KJW, but don't discount WE guns either. In my experience, they're tanks.

[Rugger_can]

I did quiet a bit of research before I picked which system to go with and frankly I found the WE System to be the one that was consistently reliable as of their current iterations, earlier issues with the system seem to have been growing pains for the company and as their QC has improved considerably and they are committed to producing quality product.

I sided with WE (specifically the SCAR) and I feel I made the right purchase, I guess time will tell.


Cheers

[Thenooblord]

I traded my heavily upgraded WE SCAR for a stock KJW M4, and I have NEVER been happier, that WE was a pile of crap IMO

it didnt break because it was upgraded, it was upgraded because all the stock parts broke

[Brian McIlmoyle]

Originally Posted by Thenooblord

I traded my heavily upgraded WE SCAR for a stock KJW M4, and I have NEVER been happier, that WE was a pile of crap IMO

it didnt break because it was upgraded, it was upgraded because all the stock parts broke

I don't think you are a typical user... as you seem to break everything you touch.. and do weird juryrigs to get things going again that result in further breaking..

I have 2 scars a M4 and the PDW .. and they have all worked without issues .. more reliable than most AEGs..

One Scar is down with a sheared valve body.. after pretty heavy use.. the fix is easy and with an upgraded part.. should be long lasting..

To get the best performance from these guns.. use high quality bbs of .28 weight or heavier.. Bastards feed flawlessly.

[El Cactus Loco]

my WE is still going strong, and its a version 1! just broke the charging handle actually, but that was a well known problem with the V1s (now fixed).
i have no idea how many rounds she has, but damn. its a V1. it was made over a year ago . no upgrades, no mods, nothing. if thats not the definition of a tank, i dunno what is.
if you like to tinker, clean and maintain, and generally work on your gun, then go WE.
if you want to pull it out of the closet, play a game, then put it away till the next game, go KJW. thats not to say that the WE is high maintenance, or that the KJW is maintenance free, thats just a general conclusion iv come to after about a year of reading about both systems.
if you want real steel accessories/furniture, go WE. no system can beat it for that. off the top of my head it is 100% real steel compatible with everything from the buffer tube back, the buffer and spring, the pistol grip, mag release, and rail are all drop in replaceable for RS parts. they can even use RS charging handle with a simple mod or use RS mag shells (pmag for example) with some sanding and filing. not sure about KJW/RS compatibility, though i think that system went the other way and is more AEG compatible (aka cheaper).
as for aftermarket, WE wins. the only real after market manufacturer for KJW is cradle. all this stuff about Prometheus, Ninebal, etc is all talk as far as i know and no actual parts have been made available. WE on the other hand has RA-Tech, TSC (not very good admittedly), stinger, and PMC. im probably missing a few but such is life.
in the end, determine your needs, do your research and make a choice that you are comfortable with. you wont be disappointed.

Originally Posted by Brian McIlmoyle

I don't think you are a typical user... as you seem to break everything you touch.. and do weird juryrigs to get things going again that result in further breaking..

QFT

[Rugger_can]

I think it needs to be noted that GBBR's are not for everyone, they require more attention and need to be regularly maintained to ensure they last. As well parts will break eventually, hell parts break on real rifles.


Also I don't know you personally Nooblord but frankly from what Ive read of your posts I would say that you should probably be the last person to gauge the reliability of anything. You seem to be cursed or something.


Also I seem to remember you talking about your KJW M4 being broken recently? You might have wanted to mention that.

[Thenooblord]

Originally Posted by Rugger_can

I think it needs to be noted that GBBR's are not for everyone, they require more attention and need to be regularly maintained to ensure they last. As well parts will break eventually, hell parts break on real rifles.


Also I don't know you personally Nooblord but frankly from what Ive read of your posts I would say that you should probably be the last person to gauge the reliability of anything. You seem to be cursed or something.


Also I seem to remember you talking about your KJW M4 being broken recently? You might have wanted to mention that.

KJW M4 broken IE rubber band broke, thats nothing, thats like a wire disconnecting in an AEG, thats hardly something to write home about... and it takes literally 30 seconds to make and install a replacement

otherwise, I have never broken a TM hicappa, I havent broken any AEGs from what I can remember, its just the clone shit and the WE shit that I break, oh and the TM 5-7, but like the KJW piston cup in the M4, the 5-7 was design flaw

off topic much?

[SKI]

Both systems have their pros and cons. I find that as long as the WE is lubed properly, it works well. It is way more realistic in look and feel the KJ. That being said. I still like my KJW over the WE. That may be chalked up to the fact that I own the KJ and my buddy owns the WE. If it was the other way around, perhaps my view would be oposite. They are both good platforms. I have not come across any airsoft or real steel for that matter that is perfect in every way.

[Rubs]

Originally Posted by Thenooblord

off topic much?

Explain how a KJW breaking off topic?

Go with a WE - you won't be disappointed.

[Thenooblord]

Originally Posted by Rubs

Explain how a KJW breaking off topic?

Go with a WE - you won't be disappointed.

more the topic of everything I touch breaking, thats OT