Sniper: spring vs gas vs AEG

Caped_crusadar · May 2nd, 2008, 20:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by SDS_ShooterMcGavin

Go for the KJW M700 in that case.

yea, im lookin at that one right now, should i go with the regular or the breakdown,

is the breakdown worth the extra cash? beacuse then i could store it on my back without worry of it snagging on the brush

FOX_111 · May 2nd, 2008, 20:33

A good sling is better than storing a "broken" rifle on your back.

I'd personnaly stay away from breakdown one.

DonP · May 2nd, 2008, 21:18

Speaking as someone who has used a spring rifle almost exclusively for years (and experimented with gas) I would make the following observations:

- Difficulty of cocking spring rifles is overrated. Seriously, it's not a big deal. When it's shouldered you have excellent leverage.

- Inconsistent FPS from gas systems is -- in my opinion -- a deal-breaker if you're seriously considering a sniper-role gun. Shot-to-shot consistency should be your #1 concern where optimal accuracy for each shot is your goal. Gas just isn't in the same league as electric or manual spring (bolt action).

- Modern good quality electric guns are pretty damn good. My APS2 was great in its day and I did a lot to it to get improved results, but after trying a mildly upgraded TM M14 when it came out, I was impressed as hell and realized my APS2's days were numbered.

Personally if I was making a new sniper rifle today, I'd start with a TM M14 with a mild spring upgrade (no need for more than 340-350fps). Modded to shoot semi-only, and firing good BBs.

Of course, it's up to you - but since you asked, that's what I'd do.

SDS_ShooterMcGavin · May 2nd, 2008, 23:56

Yup i've owned a M14 before and it is one hell of an AEG. Sold it to a close friend and he's done so much to it, its a force to be reckoned with... But its also extremely loud.

I went with the L96 for personal preference of gun (Love the L96) and the noise. And well the pure satisfaction of hitting someone with it with one good shot. Not to mention a M14 will make you DM, Not a sniper

FOX_111 · May 3rd, 2008, 00:32

Main issue with AEG sniper is you are always limited to 450fps max. You will never be able to shoote faster safely, because of the rate of fire.

DonP · May 3rd, 2008, 02:11

I have some fancy gun electronics that can be made to force an AEG to be semi-only, and a delay between shots. It's a good sniper mode if your club accepts it and allows you to go to a higher FPS as a result (and you want to do such a thing).

BBS · May 3rd, 2008, 02:15

i have a KJ M700 and i love it, silent and deadly, especially after the free float mod. the gas discharge is minimal and not visible at times; i actually find it sort of cool too see some propane eject from the tip. oh and get the normal version not the breakdown. the normal version has a less complicated system making it have better accuracy.

Caped_crusadar · May 3rd, 2008, 22:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by FOX_111

Main issue with AEG sniper is you are always limited to 450fps max. You will never be able to shoote faster safely, because of the rate of fire.

no your not, get a systema magnum motor, and a 12v, or even better get a 11.1v 4000mah lipo and you can go up to 550

kalnaren · May 3rd, 2008, 22:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caped_crusadar

no your not, get a systema magnum motor, and a 12v, or even better get a 11.1v 4000mah lipo and you can go up to 550

Too bad 99% of games in Canada limit an AEG to 450 fps.

WTF is with all these Americans coming to ASC recently offering us advice and telling us we're wrong about issues relevant to Canadian airsoft

Plus, if you actually read his post, he said you couldn't fire an AEG at that velocity because of safety related to ROF, not durability of the mechbox. You get another "

" for effort.

Bowers · May 3rd, 2008, 22:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by kalnaren

Too bad 99% of games in Canada limit an AEG to 450 fps.

WTF is with all these Americans coming to ASC recently offering us advice and telling us we're wrong about issues relevant to Canadian airsoft

Plus, if you actually read his post, he said you couldn't fire an AEG at that velocity because of safty related to ROF, not durability of the mechbox. You get another "

" for effort.

im actually curious myself

Caped_crusadar · May 3rd, 2008, 23:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by kalnaren

Too bad 99% of games in Canada limit an AEG to 450 fps.

WTF is with all these Americans coming to ASC recently offering us advice and telling us we're wrong about issues relevant to Canadian airsoft

Plus, if you actually read his post, he said you couldn't fire an AEG at that velocity because of safety related to ROF, not durability of the mechbox. You get another "

" for effort.

all the fields around here are limited to 400 fps for any gun, so we play at friends houses with big back yards.

and this is more of a fun project, then to be used in a war, most of my friends wouldn't play with me, theres only 3 of us that don't care about the fps if its sub 500

im not telling you that you have to think the same way i do, im just getting my ideas out there, take it or leave it.

kalnaren · May 3rd, 2008, 23:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caped_crusadar

all the fields around here are limited to 400 fps for any gun, so we play at friends houses with big back yards.

and this is more of a fun project, then to be used in a war, most of my friends wouldn't play with me, theres only 3 of us that don't care about the fps if its sub 500

im not telling you that you have to think the same way i do, im just getting my ideas out there, take it or leave it.

And if you actually read anything about airsoft in Canada, you would know that us playing in "big fields" is generally considered a really fucking bad idea. Congrats. You get another "

".

TokyoSeven · May 3rd, 2008, 23:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by kalnaren

WTF is with all these Americans coming to ASC recently offering us advice and telling us we're wrong about issues relevant to Canadian airsoft

.

Yes, I couldnt agree more. Honestly, Im starting to get sick of it.

Caped_crusadar · May 4th, 2008, 02:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by kalnaren

And if you actually read anything about airsoft in Canada, you would know that us playing in "big fields" is generally considered a really fucking bad idea. Congrats. You get another "

".

i dont want to argue with you, last time i argued with someone it turned ugly fast, so you can have this one.

but if your saying that beacuse you thought i said public property, i ment
friends back yards, so its private property,

Bowers · May 4th, 2008, 02:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caped_crusadar

i dont want to argue with you, last time i argued with someone it turned ugly fast, so you can have this one.

but if your saying that beacuse you thought i said public property, i ment
friends back yards, so its private property,

and playing in backyards is not a smart thing to do when you got the nice rcmp or local cops driving around i dunno bout you but a .40 in the chest kinda ruins the game

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May 2nd, 2008, 20:33	#17
FOX_111 Le Roi des poissons d'avril Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Terrebonne, Québec	A good sling is better than storing a "broken" rifle on your back. I'd personnaly stay away from breakdown one. __________________ Vérificateur d'âge: Terrebonne

May 3rd, 2008, 00:32	#20
FOX_111 Le Roi des poissons d'avril Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Terrebonne, Québec	Main issue with AEG sniper is you are always limited to 450fps max. You will never be able to shoote faster safely, because of the rate of fire. __________________ Vérificateur d'âge: Terrebonne

May 2nd, 2008, 21:18	#18
DonP Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Edmonton, AB	Speaking as someone who has used a spring rifle almost exclusively for years (and experimented with gas) I would make the following observations: - Difficulty of cocking spring rifles is overrated. Seriously, it's not a big deal. When it's shouldered you have excellent leverage. - Inconsistent FPS from gas systems is -- in my opinion -- a deal-breaker if you're seriously considering a sniper-role gun. Shot-to-shot consistency should be your #1 concern where optimal accuracy for each shot is your goal. Gas just isn't in the same league as electric or manual spring (bolt action). - Modern good quality electric guns are pretty damn good. My APS2 was great in its day and I did a lot to it to get improved results, but after trying a mildly upgraded TM M14 when it came out, I was impressed as hell and realized my APS2's days were numbered. Personally if I was making a new sniper rifle today, I'd start with a TM M14 with a mild spring upgrade (no need for more than 340-350fps). Modded to shoot semi-only, and firing good BBs. Of course, it's up to you - but since you asked, that's what I'd do.

May 3rd, 2008, 02:11	#21
DonP Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Edmonton, AB	I have some fancy gun electronics that can be made to force an AEG to be semi-only, and a delay between shots. It's a good sniper mode if your club accepts it and allows you to go to a higher FPS as a result (and you want to do such a thing).

May 3rd, 2008, 02:15	#22
BBS Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: BC, Canada	i have a KJ M700 and i love it, silent and deadly, especially after the free float mod. the gas discharge is minimal and not visible at times; i actually find it sort of cool too see some propane eject from the tip. oh and get the normal version not the breakdown. the normal version has a less complicated system making it have better accuracy.

Sniper: spring vs gas vs AEG

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