Elcan Spectre reticule... what gives?

[Psynapse]

I've been considering picking up an Elcan SpectreDR, fixed 4x, clone but cannot for the life of me figure something out. The reticule.*Which one do they come with?

Some shopping carts have no indication of the reticule. Some have a crappy photo. Some have a drawing. Are the photos and drawing accurate?

What has me second guessing is finding posts, reviews etc showing one reticule that so-and-so says they got from such-and-such place. But when I look in the website of such-and-such place the shopping cart shows a different reticule.

This one with no indication of brand/supplier is an example of a, most likely, computer drawn reticule with bars on it similar to a rangefinding scope. Spaced out and clear with the red dot in the middle. Exactly what I want. But can I actually count on it coming with that reticule?


I have only found two photos like this. Marked as coming from a ACM clone, shows a similar reticule,photo taken through the scope, as in the drawing above. So it appears it's actually possible to buy a clone with this type of reticule. Can I count on all Spectres marked as ACM to have this reticule.


But... most other images I can find, taken through the scope, show a plain old crosshair... or a super-small, faux-rangefinder-ish, type of bars scrunched up below the center point. I don't want to open the box to see this.



I'm beginning to think only the ACM versions have reticules like in the first and second photos. That being said, I have found some marked as "china made" that show drawings only of the reticule that look like that. ARG!!!

Can anyone help me out and clear this up?

[Conker]

I heard there are indeed two versions. Mine has the crossair of the last 2 pics and was purchased relatively early (maybe 2 months) after they were released... So they may have released a 2nd version later.

Note that Element (Z-Tactical, they're the same) is planning to release a variable magnification version before next season for ~200$ (first one was originally sold for 150$ but prices are down to ~115$ on most HK sites now). I'd personally wait since winter is coming.

That being said I love mine even with the wrong reticle, the long eye relief (got close to 2 inches of margin in which I can see perfectly), glass quality, large optic diameter (good FOV) and overall sturdiness being awesome.

[Psynapse]

Ya... just found another place with an illustration of the correct reticule but it looks like a less-than-reputable company to be giving my money.

Ya... the Element. That would have been so sexy if it weren't for the color. I hope that is a botched pre-production run. Time will tell if it is any good too. If it ever comes out it'll take a good few months for the early adopters to run it through the ringer.

The field of view and reliability still needs to be determined before I drop coin on that one. And it needs to be black... without me having to krylon a $200 scope and wipe out the trades,

Still want an elcan either way. Like you mentioned, the eye relief and the ugly-sexiness of the things.

[Gunny_McSmith]

Cant wait for the Element 1-4x version.... My mk18 needs a SpectreDR....lol

[VanillaKilla]

Anyone know how to adjust the recticule? My ACM arrived off center, (it is almost sideways in the scope)....

Cheers,

[rustysniper]

Well Jay,
there are 2 adjusters....the first being the large turn wheel located underneath the back of the scope which adjusts the elevation of the reticle.
Then, located on the front bottom of the scope base is a slotted screw which adjust the windage.

With the Elcans....the reticle is fixed and it is the body that is adjusted.

Hope this helps............

[DarkAngel]

ACM is not a brand, it stands for Another(?) Chinese Manufacturer. (I think the A stands for Another). What that means is that its a conglomerate of many different no name brand products. Ie. The first one you get may not be the same as a second as it depends on what manufacturer made it at that time.

This should not be confused with AGM, which actually is a single manufacturer, though its also chinese made.

[Kimbo]

Originally Posted by VanillaKilla

Anyone know how to adjust the recticule? My ACM arrived off center, (it is almost sideways in the scope)....

Cheers,

Jay, 2 of the guys I know who got theirs had to take theirs apart and realign them. Was a real pain. I'll find out what they did and get back to you.

[L473ncy]

Originally Posted by DarkAngel

ACM is not a brand, it stands for Another(?) Chinese Manufacturer. (I think the A stands for Another).

It actually stands for All China Made (apparently?). But yeah same jist of the meaning, basically any Chinese clone/replica is "ACM" and usually it means low quality but the odd time you might get a decent quality ACM stuff.

Also yes as DA said, it is not to be confused with AGM (which stands for Airsoft Gun Manufacture(er?) not sure if the Engrish is supposed to be there or not).

[juicy]

One I've seen is fixed 4x and has the reticle you're looking for. I'm unsure if there are other versions of the fixed 4x one, could be that the DE one is different, or something like that?

The one with the ACOG-ish reticle looks like the 1-4x one that's supposedly coming out soon - at least, that's what I've seen from pictures of the 1-4x one.

Originally Posted by L473ncy

It actually stands for All China Made (apparently?). But yeah same jist of the meaning, basically any Chinese clone/replica is "ACM" and usually it means low quality but the odd time you might get a decent quality ACM stuff.

Also yes as DA said, it is not to be confused with AGM (which stands for Airsoft Gun Manufacture(er?) not sure if the Engrish is supposed to be there or not).

+1.

[Conker]

Originally Posted by Kimbo

Jay, 2 of the guys I know who got theirs had to take theirs apart and realign them. Was a real pain. I'll find out what they did and get back to you.

What? Seriously?

Might sound stupid, but... did you try the adjustement knobs? (hey, could be a mistake from the user's end, they are designed very differently from the usual).

Don't hesistate to give them some force to turn. Mine has seen the field a few times yet, and I haven't faced any problem so far, and the adjustement worked beautifully, it just needed some force in the beginning.

[Rookie Ab]

The reticle was canted about 10 to 15 degrees inside the scope body.You can adjust windage and elevation but it doesn't help the cant.

It had to be opened.

[Conker]

Oh, that's what you meant... weird. Forget my post then.

[VanillaKilla]

Originally Posted by Rookie Ab

The reticle was canted about 10 to 15 degrees inside the scope body.You can adjust windage and elevation but it doesn't help the cant.

It had to be opened.

That's exactly the problem I have... thanks for the clarifications above- sounds like a common problem. -VK