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ShadowNet December 4th, 2008 16:24

Canadian JTF 2 Loadouts
 
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Hey guys, I was browsing the JTF 2 website when I came upon their brochure. I've placed a link to the brochure, which contains some pictures of what the JTF 2 wear. Can anyone identify their specific rigs and etc?
Also attached is a JTF2 Wallpaper I compiled. Enjoy!
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Arthraxis January 13th, 2009 18:17

Helmet looks like an IBH, all that I can really tell, still.. could be wrong. I'm more interested in the shoes and kneepads that the guy in the foreground is wearing, I've seen similar styled shoes on many military personnel, always wondered what they were.

Crunchmeister January 13th, 2009 18:26

They look like some kind of hiking / mountaineer boots. I could be wrong though.

xandrewx January 13th, 2009 20:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crunchmeister (Post 897414)
They look like some kind of hiking / mountaineer boots. I could be wrong though.

your right they are merrils (saw tooth edition), navy seals use them as well at times

Brakoo January 13th, 2009 20:47

The knee pads are from Arc'teryx. They don't really have a model for those but here they are :

http://www.bentgear.com/product_info...roducts_id=781

Mist3r.B January 13th, 2009 20:57

The helmet is also looks like the one used by the rcmp

http://le.cos.free.fr/photo/GTI/2.jpg

Desmodus January 13th, 2009 21:08

That looks like a CVC helmet used by tank crews....

ex January 13th, 2009 21:10

ACH Mich 2001
http://www.airsoftxtreme.pl/data/inc.../mich_ziel.jpg

Coolheart March 6th, 2009 08:04

Sorry for the necropost, but the helmet seeing on the rcmp photo it´s a CVC modified helmet. Was very common on awide variety of sf groups around the globe (including usa)

Pirate May 5th, 2009 11:41

Does anybody know the style of vest that JTF2 uses? It looks different than the standard CF vest and webbing.

Ace of Spades© May 5th, 2009 12:23

Pretty sure its a Paraclete Hard Plate Carrier, you can see other operators in the background wearing them. The couple of Sergeants and Warrants in CANSOFCOM that I've talked too (they are on their ILQ and SLQ) are walking-talking Paraclete salesmen.

pugs144 May 5th, 2009 14:21

One of their recruiting posters also has an operator wearing a Mystery Ranch NICE system to carry their comms.

Malice Army June 24th, 2009 13:31

YouTube - Joint Task Force 2
The BADDEST boys on the planet

KiloSixNiner June 28th, 2009 08:54

There's some better pictures here, for those interested.
http://www.jtf2.forces.gc.ca/ig-ri/index-eng.asp

Kokanee June 28th, 2009 15:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lerch (Post 1015216)
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I'd check on that buddy, your info is incorrect, and don't be posting this crap in public forums.

Mr.Shiney June 28th, 2009 15:42

Okay, if JTF or any other organization of the CF has reorganized. Considering the security blanket that surrounds JTF and CSOR, why post it here?? I think you need to check with you Regimental Security Officer to determine if you committed an OPSEC violation. The public has no need to know what the CF does or does not do, is or is not capable of when it comes to operations overseas.

Lerch June 28th, 2009 16:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kokanee (Post 1015301)
I'd check on that buddy, your info is incorrect, and don't be posting this crap in public forums.

I know, just seeing who would catch on..

pugs144 June 28th, 2009 16:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyGuy (Post 1015296)

t...too bad I am officially considered an old fart now and would probably not qualify to be accepted by the CF -- correct me if I am wrong but there isn't there an age limit for new applicants...

As long as you can complete the Express Test for your age group you can sign up. In my BSOC course we had 2 guys who were in their 40's.

pugs144 June 28th, 2009 16:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lerch (Post 1015326)
I know, just seeing who would catch on..

Gee, nice to see you having fun at other peoples' expense by posting erroneous information :rolleyes:. You're the man, cool guy.

rc_p120 June 28th, 2009 17:36

So Lerch are you yanking our chain or what?

btw, those new promotional photos on the JTF-2 website, I wonder if those are real soldiers from the unit or simply actors posed for the photograph? Because they are staged.

pugs144 June 28th, 2009 17:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by rc_p120 (Post 1015370)
So Lerch are you yanking our chain or what?

Yes. What does an arty guy know about Int and Sigs anyway?

Kokanee June 28th, 2009 18:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lerch (Post 1015326)
I know, just seeing who would catch on..

Or in other words, you were trying to feed bullshit to the community so you could look like the cool guy. And I called you on it.

Slink away, slink away.

Lerch June 28th, 2009 20:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kokanee (Post 1015394)
Or in other words, you were trying to feed bullshit to the community so you could look like the cool guy. And I called you on it.

Slink away, slink away.

Eh? No I got bored, blame me and boredom for that one. :p

Long_Bong June 28th, 2009 21:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by KiloSixNiner (Post 1015189)
There's some better pictures here, for those interested.
http://www.jtf2.forces.gc.ca/ig-ri/index-eng.asp

http://www.jtf2.forces.gc.ca/ig-ri/i...f2ig-roi2ri-04

Material Technician welding away

Sound exciting :)

Infidel July 5th, 2009 13:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugs144 (Post 1015374)
Yes. What does an arty guy know about Int and Sigs anyway?

Not alot, I've worked with them.

~Thanato

pugs144 July 5th, 2009 15:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grimm Reaper (Post 1019027)
Not alot, I've worked with them.

~Thanato

LOL.

Double Tapper July 5th, 2009 16:09

There must have been some deleted post according to the quotes.:D
But the big boys are right,if you know something special,doesn't mean
you have the right to repeat it in public.:rolleyes:

These guys must do some really interesting training,could be fun in a
painful way if your not in shape.:D

Drag November 16th, 2009 23:58

I dont know if there the Paraclete Hard Plate Carriers, or the Diamondback Plate Carriers. If you look at the CJIRU, I think they use the Fast Attack Plate Carrier. If anyone has any imformation about this please let me know.

Sully November 17th, 2009 00:30

There are some Paraclete plate carriers being used. Can't say much more though.

Huron November 17th, 2009 16:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drag (Post 1105781)
I dont know if there the Paraclete Hard Plate Carriers, or the Diamondback Plate Carriers. If you look at the CJIRU, I think they use the Fast Attack Plate Carrier. If anyone has any imformation about this please let me know.

It's the Paraclete. This picture shows it pretty good on Mackay and the guy to his right. Looks a bit like he's got a chest rig overtop it actually, but I'm probably seeing things. :rolleyes:

http://www.theregimenthq.com/JTF2/graphics/b2ff87f3.jpg

Conker November 17th, 2009 16:23

Indeed it does look like a chest rig, I don't think it's your imagination ;)

MilanWG November 17th, 2009 16:28

Is he wearing plates in the plate carrier (front and back) with a bullet proof vest underneath it all? Is that normal or extra protection? Are plate carriers meant to be worn with plates and another ballistic vest under that? Or just the plates?

I have always been curious about that?

Thanks ;)

Kokanee November 17th, 2009 16:32

As that particular plate carrier only holds hard plates, it does not provide "all around" protection from frag. Given that McKay is a "VIP", it's understandable that they gave him some soft armour as well. As for the placement, it would be uncomfortable to wear hard plates under soft armour, hence the carrier is on the outside.

ShelledPants November 17th, 2009 16:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by TALIBANMILAN (Post 1106123)
Is he wearing plates in the plate carrier (front and back) with a bullet proof vest underneath it all?

I've read that since systems like the MBSS plate carrier was exposed on the sides, they wore BPV's underneath to protect their flanks from shrapnel and light caliber rounds.

Also if you think about it this way...

If your plate carrier has both your front / rear / side plates and your soft body armor padding all contained, if you had to ditch your armor carrier to get out of a vehicle, or because you're snagged on something and its life threatening: You now have no armor protection.

H-G November 17th, 2009 16:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by GabeGuitarded (Post 1106111)
Looks a bit like he's got a chest rig overtop it actually, but I'm probably seeing things. :rolleyes:



You aren't, it's a London Bridge 1961A in Tan with a VIP strobe light for IFF.

Armor is layered like that for a couple reasons: operator is able to uparmor in order to respond to threats, it's lighter than a full armor system, he's probably not using standalone ceramic plates and need the soft armor layer to take potential kinetic energy in the event of incoming rifle fire, and yes, a standard of 360 degree protection from shrapnel.

MilanWG November 17th, 2009 16:57

Are plate carriers (with plates in the front and back) always worn with a BPV underneath or are they also worn without the BPV combo?

And what level of protection are the plates? Level III or IV?
And what level of protection are the BPV?

Thanks for all the info, has cleared up some old questions :)

Huron November 17th, 2009 17:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by H-G (Post 1106129)
You aren't, it's a London Bridge 1961A in Tan with a VIP strobe light for IFF.

Armor is layered like that for a couple reasons: operator is able to uparmor in order to respond to threats, it's lighter than a full armor system, he's probably not using standalone ceramic plates and need the soft armor layer to take potential kinetic energy in the event of incoming rifle fire, and yes, a standard of 360 degree protection from shrapnel.

I'm aware of using multiple layers of stuff, I'm all up to date on my Magpul videos. :p But I didn't know about the first part. Thanks for ID'ing the rig though, I wasn't sure if it was a 1961A or some sort of Molle rig.

MilanWG November 17th, 2009 17:45

Quote:

Stop calling it a Bullet Proof Vest
noted

H-G November 17th, 2009 18:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Skeletor- (Post 1106178)
It is soft armour/kevlar, rated to stop fragmentation, not bullets.

That's not really correct, the soft level IIIA armor is rated to take most conventional handgun ammunition. Not sure what Canadian SOF is issued, but I believe the majority of SAPI plates used by US SOCOM are level IV, if Canadian units cross train, then it's likely they use similar systems.

whiskey_four November 17th, 2009 22:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadowNet (Post 873499)
Hey guys, I was browsing the JTF 2 website when I came upon their brochure. I've placed a link to the brochure, which contains some pictures of what the JTF 2 wear. Can anyone identify their specific rigs and etc?

Hello ShadowNet,
It's been a long time since you started this thread. Not sure if you're still interested, but here are some of the items that jump out at me in the brochure you linked. Most items may be familiar to you, while others are unique to/within CANSOF.

Bolle T-800 Tactical Goggles
Oakley SI O-Frame Googles
Oakley M-Frame Glasses with Sweep clear lens
Petzl TACTIKKA-series headlamps
Traser tritium watch
Peltor ComTac I and Comtac II Headsets
Peltor Tactical 6 Headset
SOG SEAL Pup knives
Arc'teryx X-350a Climbing Harness
Arc'teryx Military Kneecaps
Cadex Defence Model 643-93C NVG Helmet Mounts
Ops Inc. 15th Model 5.56 CQB MBS Suppressors
INVISIO M3-series Tactical Headset Systems
...and yes, a lot of Paraclete gear, mostly MSA-Paraclete HPC/SOHPC.


Hope this helps.

Huron November 18th, 2009 19:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by whiskey_four (Post 1106340)
Hello ShadowNet,
It's been a long time since you started this thread. Not sure if you're still interested, but here are some of the items that jump out at me in the brochure you linked. Most items may be familiar to you, while others are unique to/within CANSOF.

Bolle T-800 Tactical Goggles
Oakley SI O-Frame Googles
Oakley M-Frame Glasses with Sweep clear lens
Petzl TACTIKKA-series headlamps
Traser tritium watch
Peltor ComTac I and Comtac II Headsets
Peltor Tactical 6 Headset
SOG SEAL Pup knives
Arc'teryx X-350a Climbing Harness
Arc'teryx Military Kneecaps
Cadex Defence Model 643-93C NVG Helmet Mounts
Ops Inc. 15th Model 5.56 CQB MBS Suppressors
INVISIO M3-series Tactical Headset Systems
...and yes, a lot of Paraclete gear, mostly MSA-Paraclete HPC/SOHPC.


Hope this helps.

You're beautiful.

whiskey_four November 21st, 2009 13:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by GabeGuitarded (Post 1106850)
You're beautiful.

Glad you found my post helpful. As I said, I didn't provide a complete list and if you have a careful look at the brochure, there are many other items that are recognizable:
Blackhawk SOLAG gloves, Thales Urban Speaker Microphone, Pro-Tec Ace helmet on the SO Cox'n, and a wide selection of red-dot/reflex/telescopic and holographic weapon sights.
So perhaps we can keep this thread going over the long term and it can serve as a resource to anyone researching and collecting JTF2/CANSOF gear.

warbird December 6th, 2009 14:15

Other than paraclete, what vests do they use? RAVs? CIRAS?

Felipe December 7th, 2009 07:24

They use most of the time for DA, RAV, SOHPC, HPC paraclete, I've seen a pic of LBT1961 A on HPC...

They can use what they want....

Midma January 26th, 2010 07:39

Anybody interested by a new French forum on JTF-2 forces?

Midma

Midma January 28th, 2010 15:06

Just a forum: http://jtf2-reenactment.forumactif.net/forum.htm

For who are really interested by JTF-2 forces. :)

Midma

Short Round February 3rd, 2010 07:55

I find it weird that jtf2 is never mentioned in the media, let alone seen.

Frozen Tex February 3rd, 2010 08:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Najohn (Post 1156411)
I find it weird that jtf2 is never mentioned in the media, let alone seen.

If you see them, they're not doing it right.

In the US, for a long time (maybe still) it was government policy to not even admit to the existence of the top level teams, i.e. Delta Force, Seal Team 6, etc... Whereas the Canadian government puts "pictures" of JTF2 on the Forces' website along with FAQs about recruiting standards... and MPs/Ministers occasionally open their yaps and blab about where the team is and what it's doing.

Mr.Shiney February 3rd, 2010 08:22

What is weird about that. A do you want a Special Warfare Unit the is required to perform Covert and Secretive Taskings posted all over bill boards. Up until the Princess Gate OP: NIMROD almost no one had heard of the Special Air Services Regiment. With the exception of WW2 Exploits.

The less the public knows about what, where, when who and how the better.

pugs144 February 3rd, 2010 08:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Najohn (Post 1156411)
I find it weird that jtf2 is never mentioned in the media, let alone seen.

There's nothing weird about it at all. They don't have the same PR machine that USSOCOM does nor do they want one.

I have to chuckle at the offshore forum dedicated to 'JTF2 Loadouts' given that pics of guys from the unit are rarer than rocking horse shit. I don't expect a lot of posting activity there LOL.

Pirate February 3rd, 2010 10:15

The biggest reason you know so much about the US Special Forces is that they have a large enough force that they don't rely on being as anonymous. You still don't hear about most of their exploits, only major ops that don't need secrecy. I think you'd be hard pressed still to find the actual identities of current SOCOM Operators, not sure about retired. JTF2 is much much smaller and can't risk having anything be mentioned in the media for it runs a risk to operators and their families. The SAS were veiled in similar secrecy. Only a few have written books (mainly andy mcnabb...not his real name) and it is still questioned the accuracy of most of these accounts. Hence it is always funny when on everybody that posts a JTF2 video on youtube, everybody has a cousin or uncle or friend of a friend on JTF2. That would make them larger than all of the CF.

Short Round February 3rd, 2010 12:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godfather (Post 1156453)
The biggest reason you know so much about the US Special Forces is that they have a large enough force that they don't rely on being as anonymous. You still don't hear about most of their exploits, only major ops that don't need secrecy. I think you'd be hard pressed still to find the actual identities of current SOCOM Operators, not sure about retired. JTF2 is much much smaller and can't risk having anything be mentioned in the media for it runs a risk to operators and their families. The SAS were veiled in similar secrecy. Only a few have written books (mainly andy mcnabb...not his real name) and it is still questioned the accuracy of most of these accounts. Hence it is always funny when on everybody that posts a JTF2 video on youtube, everybody has a cousin or uncle or friend of a friend on JTF2. That would make them larger than all of the CF.

wow I didnt realize JTF2 is only 17 years old. I just would expect them to get a mention hear and there.

pugs144 February 3rd, 2010 12:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Najohn (Post 1156501)
I just would expect them to get a mention hear and there.

Only if you have a security clearance, you might.

Capt.Flan February 3rd, 2010 16:57

Intel briefings by officers overseas ( In main bases. ) are done in front of some people ( officers/chain of command/intel civilians, secret services etc...) and they are not even aware if a JTF2 member is in the meeting and/or absolutely do not know his identity by any matter.

Most missions they get is directly from the top of the chain of command and CSIS.

Capt.Flan February 3rd, 2010 17:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godfather (Post 1156453)
The biggest reason you know so much about the US Special Forces is that they have a large enough force that they don't rely on being as anonymous. You still don't hear about most of their exploits, only major ops that don't need secrecy. I think you'd be hard pressed still to find the actual identities of current SOCOM Operators, not sure about retired. JTF2 is much much smaller and can't risk having anything be mentioned in the media for it runs a risk to operators and their families. The SAS were veiled in similar secrecy. Only a few have written books (mainly andy mcnabb...not his real name) and it is still questioned the accuracy of most of these accounts. Hence it is always funny when on everybody that posts a JTF2 video on youtube, everybody has a cousin or uncle or friend of a friend on JTF2. That would make them larger than all of the CF.

Well said.

Tom Swift April 19th, 2010 12:55

Couple Photos of JTF2 on a PSD with Stephen Harper in Afghanistan

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/6769/32798551ru5.jpg

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/3940/32798541pd2.jpg

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/6335/32798345cl6.jpg

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/6101/32798486ar2.jpg

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/7678/32798421yt8.jpg

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/2310/32798503hv8.jpg

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/6509/32798398wn9.jpg

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/8233/32798487oi7.jpg

Thought some people might appreciate these, they look to be wearing Paraclete RAV's not sure which generation/model.

Phil_Black April 20th, 2010 21:50

good pict'S

I just like to know why most of the pictures showing JTF2 or else unit doing personal protection are not using optics ?

FOX_111 April 20th, 2010 21:57

Because they will be shooting reactively at close targets and will get the F-out with the PM. While the regular troop on perimeter duty will do the long range shooting.

Huron April 20th, 2010 23:32

Well from all the pictures I've seen of them doing PSD (either with MacKay or Harper), they've been running the 10 inch suppressed rifles with the rail-mounted carry handle (Colt not Diemaco). Dunno why that is but it explains the lack of optics, running optics on the handguard rail is fairly unwieldy. One of the 4 guys I've seen running that rifle setup had an EOTech on it though.

Tom Swift April 20th, 2010 23:33

I just wish we had more pictures and knew more about them, from what I understand and have read they did a good sum of some of the hardest fighting in Iraq. Is it fair to say they on the same operational level as DEVGRU?

Quote:

Originally Posted by GabeGuitarded (Post 1216384)
Well from all the pictures I've seen of them doing PSD (either with MacKay or Harper), they've been running the 10 inch suppressed rifles with the rail-mounted carry handle (Colt not Diemaco). Dunno why that is but it explains the lack of optics, running optics on the handguard rail is fairly unwieldy. One of the 4 guys I've seen running that rifle setup had an EOTech on it though.

I thought the carry handles were fixed, they seem to be a trend in JTF2 photos sometimes an EOtech or Aimpoint on the rail ahead of the fixed carry handle.

Huron April 20th, 2010 23:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Swift (Post 1216388)
I just wish we had more pictures and knew more about them, from what I understand and have read they did a good sum of some of the hardest fighting in Iraq. Is it fair to say they on the same operational level as DEVGRU?



I thought the carry handles were fixed, they seem to be a trend in JTF2 photos sometimes an EOtech or Aimpoint on the rail ahead of the fixed carry handle.

I thought that might have been the case, but you can see in some higher-res photos that its the rail mounted one. Plus I think they use C8SFW's, which have flat-top receivers. I'll see if I can find the picture I'm talking about.

EDIT: Here you go, you can see he has it mounted a notch further back than normal on the receiver so some of the rail is exposed:

http://www.theregimenthq.com/JTF2/graphics/b2ff87f3.jpg

panzergrenadier April 20th, 2010 23:42

Check out the Colt Canada website.... there's pictures of C8s with removable carry handles... also there's a whole section on accessories.

pugs144 April 20th, 2010 23:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Swift (Post 1216388)
Is it fair to say they on the same operational level as DEVGRU?

Not sure what you mean by "operational level". The exact details of what DEVGRU and JTF2 do is known only to a privileged few, thus any comparisons to to these 2 units would be pure speculation.

Huron April 20th, 2010 23:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by panzergrenadier (Post 1216397)
Check out the Colt Canada website.... there's pictures of C8s with removable carry handles... also there's a whole section on accessories.

Nope, it's a Colt carry handle in the picture I posted. You can see the rails underneath the midsection of the Diemaco carry handle but not in the JTF2 picture up there, take a look at Vince's carry handle in the C8 thread (not gonna hotlink to his pictures): http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthr...27#post1169227

Phil_Black April 21st, 2010 15:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by FOX_111 (Post 1216283)
Because they will be shooting reactively at close targets and will get the F-out with the PM. While the regular troop on perimeter duty will do the long range shooting.

Yes i know that they wont be taking time to go prone and take well aimed shot to the 500m line.

But the question was much regarding the use of a aimpoint or eotech.

arent they made for thoses type of situation ?

Or is there a other reason not to use them ? Weight ? space ? etc.

GSK88 April 21st, 2010 17:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil_Black (Post 1216897)
Yes i know that they wont be taking time to go prone and take well aimed shot to the 500m line.

But the question was much regarding the use of a aimpoint or eotech.

arent they made for thoses type of situation ?

Or is there a other reason not to use them ? Weight ? space ? etc.

Probably operator preference. I mean these guys are allowed much more variety of options so I'd assume that if they're not carrying an optic, they don't want one.

Tom Swift April 21st, 2010 22:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSK88 (Post 1217023)
Probably operator preference. I mean these guys are allowed much more variety of options so I'd assume that if they're not carrying an optic, they don't want one.

From what I've heard a JTF2 operator can have as many as 6 Uppers that can be set up mission specific.

Huron April 21st, 2010 22:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Swift (Post 1217304)
From what I've heard a JTF2 operator can have as many as 6 Uppers that can be set up mission specific.

Sounds like a great excuse to build multiple uppers for a JTF2 loadout. :p

rc_p120 April 21st, 2010 23:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Swift (Post 1216388)
I just wish we had more pictures and knew more about them, from what I understand and have read they did a good sum of some of the hardest fighting in Iraq. Is it fair to say they on the same operational level as DEVGRU?

JTF-2 did some of the hardest fighting in Iraq??

Danke April 22nd, 2010 00:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by rc_p120 (Post 1217384)
JTF-2 did some of the hardest fighting in Iraq??

Shhhhhh!

pugs144 April 22nd, 2010 00:25

It's not unreasonable to assume CANSOF works side by side with USSOCOM in areas where there is no official Canadian mil. presence. Good luck trying to prove it. This is one of those things that is best left off public internet forums ya feel me?

Tom Swift April 22nd, 2010 01:28

RE: JTF2 in Iraq

Indeed, during the first week of the war in 2003, then-U.S. Ambassador to Canada, Paul Cellucci, said that Canada had provided "more support indirectly to this war in Iraq than most of the 46 countries that are fully supporting our efforts there."

Considering that the only real photos we have of JTF2 are PSD's we can only assume that the vast majority of their missions are Black Ops for deniability reasons.

rc_p120 April 22nd, 2010 05:12

Can anyone ID the gang sign being flashed by the JTF-2 soldier in the background??

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/283...nistan91er.jpg

pugs144 April 22nd, 2010 07:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by rc_p120 (Post 1217519)
Can anyone ID the gang sign being flashed by the JTF-2 soldier in the background??

Vatos Locos forever mang.

Coolheart April 27th, 2010 09:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by whiskey_four (Post 1106340)
Hello ShadowNet,
It's been a long time since you started this thread. Not sure if you're still interested, but here are some of the items that jump out at me in the brochure you linked. Most items may be familiar to you, while others are unique to/within CANSOF.

Bolle T-800 Tactical Goggles
Oakley SI O-Frame Googles
Oakley M-Frame Glasses with Sweep clear lens
Petzl TACTIKKA-series headlamps
Traser tritium watch
Peltor ComTac I and Comtac II Headsets
Peltor Tactical 6 Headset
SOG SEAL Pup knives
Arc'teryx X-350a Climbing Harness
Arc'teryx Military Kneecaps
Cadex Defence Model 643-93C NVG Helmet Mounts
Ops Inc. 15th Model 5.56 CQB MBS Suppressors
INVISIO M3-series Tactical Headset Systems
...and yes, a lot of Paraclete gear, mostly MSA-Paraclete HPC/SOHPC.


Hope this helps.

This info is gold, man!

What kind of under body armor could be khoser? I've got a paraclete HPC on SG and a Paraclete mesh concealment vest carrier on SG too, so, it could be a valid combo?

What pistol do they use? I know it's a sig, but what model?

We need more info!! LOL!

pugs144 April 27th, 2010 09:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coolheart (Post 1220869)
What pistol do they use? I know it's a sig, but what model?

We need more info!! LOL!

226 w/ rail.

Coolheart April 28th, 2010 03:19

Thanks pugs144.

Well, I'm working on a kitlist based on the information of this post, the things I see on several JTF-2 photos and the stuff I've got. So i wanetd to know if I'm on the right way. *=Stuff I've got

Apparel

- CADPAT WL Uniform
- CADPAT Desert Uniform
- *BHI Riggers Belt
- *AWS PRL
- BHI SOLAG GLOVES / Hatch Operator / Nomex Flight Gloves
- Arcteryx kneepads
- Civilian style mountain boots
- *Bolle X800T
- *Oacklye M-Frame

Helmet

- Gallet TC 3000 / 3001 / sogh (Gallet model from MSA MICH 2000 / 2001)
- CADEX NVG MOUNT
- VIP IR Strobe Light
- CADPAT helmet covers

Comms

- Radio unknown (I´ve read that maybe a PRC-149 or maybe a PRR)
- Peltor Comtac II
- TCI TASC I

1st Line

- *EI Duty Belt black
- Safariland 6004 for sig p226 + m3
- *2 x Paraclete 9mm mag pouch smoke green

2nd Line

- *Paraclete HPC Smoke Green
- Paca lowvis Tan
- *3 x M4 Double Mag pouch Smoke Green
- *1 x Radio Pouch Smoke Green
- *1 x Small Utility Pouch Smoke Green
- *2 x Paraclete frag grenade pouch Smoke Green

3rd Line

- *Camelbak HAWG black

Blasters

- C8SFW 10.5" (CQB)
- EoTech 552
- ACOG + Docter
- M3X black
- AR 15 style 4 pos stock + recoil pad
- Tango Down VFG black
- VFC PEQ-15
- OPS 15th model 5.56 CQB silencer
- SIG P226 + M3

I've put somethings like PRL that I never seen on a photo but it's useful and why not do they use it. And for the tango down vfg and the peq-15 it's something similar.

The M3 flashligth on the C8 I'm not sure. On the brochure pictures seems to be this flashlight, but I'm not sure.

Thanks!

Tom Swift April 28th, 2010 11:17

^^^ It's not a PACA it's Paraclete's Low Profile RAV same idea though.

Coolheart April 28th, 2010 13:36

So it's not a paca it's a paraclete rav concealment vest? that's fine.

As I asked before, I've got a paraclete mesh concealment vest carrier, so this could be valid?

Thanks!

Able1 April 28th, 2010 14:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugs144 (Post 1217544)
Vatos Locos forever mang.

I just saw that movie its pretty grimey.

Tom Swift April 28th, 2010 14:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coolheart (Post 1222046)
So it's not a paca it's a paraclete rav concealment vest? that's fine.

As I asked before, I've got a paraclete mesh concealment vest carrier, so this could be valid?

Thanks!

Not completely accurate but I don't think anyones going to kill you over it :tup:

tobyniceguy May 13th, 2010 16:53

they almost operate like the us navy seals

pugs144 May 13th, 2010 17:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by tobyniceguy (Post 1233736)
they almost operate like the us navy seals

:rolleyes:

"Almost?"

Orly?

scottyfox May 13th, 2010 17:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugs144 (Post 1233749)
:rolleyes:

"Almost?"

Orly?

Easy Cap'n
I suspect this is one of those times where the defence team thing to do is let a 15 year old spout off his vast knowledge of Tier One SOF in Canada, relying on his Level III and obvious need to know.
Actually there's a CANSOFCOM opening on the ICC working group and the CFJP 3.0 review, maybe he'd like to join.

Tom Swift June 12th, 2010 03:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugs144 (Post 1216399)
Not sure what you mean by "operational level". The exact details of what DEVGRU and JTF2 do is known only to a privileged few, thus any comparisons to to these 2 units would be pure speculation.

The wiki page for them says they've worked specifically with DEVGRU and Delta and was the only foreign SOF to be accepted on to Task Force 11 with American Tier 1 units.

pugs144 June 12th, 2010 09:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Swift (Post 1253512)
The wiki page for them says they've worked specifically with DEVGRU and Delta and was the only foreign SOF to be accepted on to Task Force 11 with American Tier 1 units.

NATO SOF cross-train with each other, that is no secret. Then again, Wiki is never wrong, right?

Blitzed June 13th, 2010 12:13

( wouldn't use wiki as a valuable truthful source. Anyone can post anything they think to be true on there. )

Viking July 8th, 2010 18:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by GabeGuitarded (Post 1106111)

Can anyone ID the low-vis rig the operator is wearing over his Paraclete HPC? And is his stock a VLTOR? With a SOG recoil pad? Looks like it. Cheers.

ShelledPants July 8th, 2010 18:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viking (Post 1270124)
Can anyone ID the low-vis rig the operator is wearing over his Paraclete HPC? And is his stock a VLTOR? With a SOG recoil pad? Looks like it. Cheers.


The rig looks like the LBT 1961a, oldschool with black buckles.

I'm no geardo though...

Viking July 8th, 2010 18:53

Doesn't the LBT rigs have the small sleeves along the outsides of the shoulder straps to help organize and direct the operators comm kit?

ShelledPants July 8th, 2010 19:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viking (Post 1270141)
Doesn't the LBT rigs have the small sleeves along the outsides of the shoulder straps to help organize and direct the operators comm kit?

That was adapted on the later models, later models not using black buckles, at least thats my understanding.

Viking July 8th, 2010 19:07

Thanks. Can anyone confirm the VLTOR stock?

Acid_Snake July 8th, 2010 19:27

Looks like a VLTOR also looks like he's removed the battery compartments.

Viking July 8th, 2010 20:52

Good eyes, man. Do you think he might have removed the compartments to allow the ziptie to achieve a snug fit between the stock and the recoil pad? Who knows.

Viking July 8th, 2010 21:07

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/6769/32798551ru5.jpg

Must be the operators choice. Different dude with the battery compartments attached. Black ziptie, I think.

Mplanters July 9th, 2010 12:26

JTF2 are so bad!

pugs144 July 9th, 2010 14:36

Oh, yes they do a lot of very naughty things. Things worthy of a spanking.

Midma July 9th, 2010 15:13

Edit: sorry, I'm late...

Midma

Stryker July 9th, 2010 21:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugs144 (Post 1270757)
Oh, yes they do a lot of very naughty things. Things worthy of a spanking.

you had me at spanking brother...


very limited photos indeed in the internet, I think we have seen what were allowed to see... LOL

Midma September 16th, 2010 09:48

A little sum up I've done on the french forum.

Hope it help, sorry for the use of french.

Do not hesitate to tell me if they have error or miss because I've done it alone. :)

Enjoy.

Introduction aux JTF-2:

Créé en 1993, le JTF-2 (pour Joint Task Force 2) ou FOI2 (pour Forces Opérationnelles Interarmées 2) est l'unité spéciale Canadienne responsable de la lutte anti-terrorisme dans son pays. A la base composée de 100 membres, elle en compte aujourd'hui plus de 600. L'idée de la création d'une Force Spéciale anti-terroriste est née en 1982, sous l'impulsion du ministre de la Défense de l'époque.
L'idée de cette création est survenue après le fiasco de la Force 777 Egyptienne le 23/11/1985. Ce jour l*, un avion a été pris en otage par des terroristes Palestiniens. Le Gouvernement Egyptien, non préparé, a envoyé ses unités après l'exécution du 5ème otage. Il y a plus de victimes civiles que de terroristes (20 morts en ouvrant la porte * cause de surcharges d'explosifs, 37 passagers soit brûlés par l'incendie ou tout simplement confondus avec des terroristes, donc abattus. Un exemple qui a refroidi le Gouvernement Canadien (2 civils Canadiens mort dans "l'accident") et les convaincu qu'une telle opération ne devait plus se reproduire.
A l'époque, il existait déj* une unité, le SERT (Special Emergency Response Team), dirigée par le RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted Police). On pourrait simplifier en disant que le SERT était le GIGN local et le RCMP (qui existe toujours), la Gendarmerie.
Le SERT a été disloqué en 1993 pour être remplacé par le JTF-2, leur officier étant considéré comme trop violents. La seule chose dont a hérité le JTF-2 des SERT, c'est son lieu d'entrainement, Dwyer Hill Road, en Ottawa. Le Fort Bragg Canadien.

Etant né tardivement comparé * d'autres pays développés, les JTF-2 doivent rattraper un retard certain. Même si * la création, l'unité est contrôlée par des vétérans, elle va sérieusement se rapprocher du SAS Britannique afin de développer ses techniques de combats, puisque des opérateurs Anglais vont se déplacer afin "d'enseigner". Le GIGN, les Delta et le GSG-5 vont également constituer une source d'inspiration certaine dans ses débuts.

Comme toutes les Forces Spéciales, le JTF-2 demande des capacités physiques et mentales très fortes. La première source de recrutement est l'armée Canadienne, quel que soit la branche dont les soldats viennent. Les opérateurs doivent être capables d'agir sur tout type de terrains, en l'air comme sous l'eau ou dans des endroits confinés. Un très long processus de plusieurs tests différents détermine leur entrée dans l'unité.

A sa création, l'unité n'est pas dévoilée au grand publique, et il faut attendre la guerre en Afghanistan afin d'en connaître l'existence. En Décembre 2001, une quarantaine d'opérateurs sont envoyés en Astan, et quelques mois plus tard, le journal Globe and Mail publie en première page une photo de soldats Canadiens livrant des prisonniers * des Américains. Le Gouvernement Canadien va alors être dans l'obligation de dévoiler et de clarifier l'existence de l'unité.

Le champ d'action des JTF-2 s'étend petit * petit, mais il compte désormais 4 grands axes:
- lutte anti-terrorisme, au niveau national et international (comme en Afghanistan).
- action "low-profile" (comme en Bosnie, en traquant les tireurs d'élite)
- garde du corps pour VIP politique, sécurisation (le diplomate Raymond Chrétien au Zaïre en 1996, le président Haïtien René Préval pour la partie garde du corps, les JO d'Hiver * Vancouver en 2010 pour la sécurisation...)
- la formation de d'unités étrangères, même si l'unité est récente, elle a appris au équipes de police en Haïti notamment.
Selon le type d'opération, l'unité utilise soit le Cadpat Arid, soit le TW. Dans le cadre d'opération de libération d'otages, c'est le noir qui sera dominant. Le Canada est collé aux Etats-Unis, et ça se ressent au niveau de l'utilisation du matériel. 90% du matériel est "Made in USA". Les opérateurs privilégient les mêmes marques et préférences que leur confrères Américains, c'est-*-dire le LBT, le Paraclete.

Matériel:

Pour les second line, on remarque une redondance au niveau du matériel.
RAV (Releasible Armor Vest) Paraclete:

http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/7...33nb3nsfu5.jpg

SOHPC Paraclete:

http://i15.servimg.com/u/f15/14/65/29/42/jtf2p11.jpg

RRS-V customisée ou pas:

http://i15.servimg.com/u/f15/14/65/29/42/jtf2af10.jpg

HPC avec LBT1961 A par dessus:

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/2629/hpcf.jpg

Ont également été vu, soit sur des JTF-2 soit sur des autres type des forces spéciales Canadiennes:
- FAPC Diamondback

Casque:

Mich 2000:

http://img.youtube.com/vi/aDWbLFgEHso/0.jpg

Mich 2001:

http://www.cansofcom.forces.gc.ca/im...-apercu-17.jpg

Pro-Tec:

http://i14.servimg.com/u/f14/14/74/26/00/sans_t12.jpg

Egalement vu, en plus faible quantité:
- Barrday CG634, le troupe des Forces Canadiennes
- Mich 2002

Systèmes de communication:

Comtac I:

http://i65.servimg.com/u/f65/14/65/29/42/comtac10.jpg

Autres:
- Comtac II
- Bowman (type Cavalvy)

Autres:

Montages: Noroto et OB Lucie
NVG: PVS-7 14, AN/PVS-504, AN/PVS7D, AN/PVS-14, Maxi KITE (montage sur arme uniquement).
Genouillères: Alta (noir, TAN et OD uniquement), Arc'teryx (noir uniquement), Bijan (CB uniquement).
Lunettes: Oakley M-Frame, Oakley A-Frame, ESS Profile, Bollé X-800, Wiley-X (modèle?)
Holsters: Safariland 6004 (noir uniquement), Serpa CQC BHI (tan uniquement), poche pour C7/C8.
Couteaux: SOG Pup knife

Accessoires:

Flashlights: Surefire X200, M3X Streamlight, P114 Surefire, 310/610R Surefire
Target Pointer: PEQ-10 ILWLP, AN/PEQ-2, AN/PEQ-15

Optiques:
- Eotech 552, 551
- Aimpoint CompM2
- Elcan C79
- Elcan Specter
- ACOG

Un détail: les JTF-2 sont parmis les rares * avoir leur optiques (dans le cas d'un dot) sur le RIS de leur arme (CF.: ici , et non comme on peut le voir d'habitude * la place du carry handle. Dans beaucoup de missions, notamment de protection de VIP, ils préfèrent carrément de pas avoir d'optiques:

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/6101/32798486ar2.jpg

Armes de poing:

Une chose est sûr, les opérateurs n'ont pas accès ou ne veulent pas avoir accès au .45. Pour les armes de poings, un seul calibre: le 9x19mm. Une seule marque même: Sig Sauer, * l'exception des quelques rares Browning High Power (ou GP35, maintenant délaissés pour leur ancienneté).

Pour justifier l'utilisation du 9mm, je me permets de citer GreatHumpBack:

Quote:

Le plus souvent, le 9mm est privilégié en raison d'une part de la plus grande disponibilité des munitions, voire carrément des armes, sur le théâtre, et d'autre pour le rapport capacité d'emport/compacité plus intéressant et une maniabilité plus élevée (plus faible recul) avec des armes chambrées en 9mm qu'en .45 ACP. Par exemple, s'il s'agit d'utiliser l'arme d'une seule main, depuis l'intérieur d'un véhicule, pour "repousser" un autre véhicule s'approchant de trop près, ce sera plus pratique de le faire avec un Glock 17 avec 17 munitions en 9mm qu'avec un 1911 avec ces 7 coups en .45.
Les modèles que l'on aperçoit sont:

P226:

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/8233/32798487oi7.jpg

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4568/drill.jpg

GP35: (attention, sur la photo, c'est un soldat des forces régulières.)

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/4...2009101614.jpg

Mais également:
- P225
- P228
- P229

Fusils:
Pour les opérations anti-terrorisme, ou en CQB, l'éternel séries des MP5.

MP5:

http://i15.servimg.com/u/f15/14/65/29/42/jtf210.jpg

C8A2:

http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/9672/imagehzi.jpg

Egalement:
- C8A1
- C7A1
- C7A2
- C8FTHB
- P-90

Autres armes:

Pour le close combat:

Remington 870:

Soldat des Forces Régulières:
http://i15.servimg.com/u/f15/14/65/29/42/10-17-10.jpg

Egalement:
- Benelli M3 Super 90

Pour le tir de précision:

LRSW - C15 Big Mac:

Soldats des Forces Régulières:
http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/3...ipersprmh3.jpg

- MRS - C7CT/AR-10T
- MRSWS – the C14
- MRSW – the C3A1
- Accuracy International AW .338
- H&K PSG-1
- M-82A1 Barrett .50

Si les opérateurs sont en mission où ils doivent se fondre dans la masse, on considère qu'ils peuvent utiliser n'importe quelle arme tant qu'elle participe au succès de la mission.

Liens vidéos:

- http://www.youtube.com/v/ZTDW_geVVXw
- http://www.youtube.com/v/0iw_P6_pb5o
- http://www.youtube.com/v/Iwq-vNKIyTM
- http://www.youtube.com/v/QwgijLe_zzQ

Sites webs et articles:

Fichier PDF du Gouvernement afin de faire connaître l'unité.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/cdnmilitary/jtf2.html
http://www.cmaq.net/node/29998
http://www.jtf2.forces.gc.ca/index-fra.asp



Photos real deal pour inspiration:
(les photos 5, 8, 15, 17, 18 et 19 sont des opérateurs du CSOR).

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/8896/mibp.jpg

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/3473/swimmerj.jpg

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/5007/45686064.jpg

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/1694/jtf2operation.jpg

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/5421/wa20070149.jpg

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/1...anadianafp.jpg

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/9...tan67tp4mm.jpg

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/3578/jtf2bicolor.jpg

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/705...an103cj6ip.jpg

http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/7...tan96ka8rh.jpg

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/1...2humvee6bz.jpg

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/735...thaiti95jh.png

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/3530/jtf21.jpg

http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/6...evacuating.jpg

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/8624/soaseosa09.jpg

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/3940/32798541pd2.jpg

http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/3453/jtf214.jpg

http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/4254/6ekz1v.jpg

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/2456/11bojh5.jpg

Et les photos de la campagne publicitaire faite par le gouvernement Canadien lors de l'agrandissement de l'unité.

http://i15.servimg.com/u/f15/14/65/29/42/64953j10.jpg

http://i15.servimg.com/u/f15/14/65/29/42/64959j10.jpg

http://i15.servimg.com/u/f15/14/65/29/42/64971j10.jpg

http://i15.servimg.com/u/f15/14/65/29/42/64976j10.jpg

http://i15.servimg.com/u/f15/14/65/29/42/64982j10.jpg

http://i15.servimg.com/u/f15/14/65/29/42/64987j10.jpg

http://i15.servimg.com/u/f15/14/65/29/42/64988j10.jpg

http://i15.servimg.com/u/f15/14/65/29/42/64994j10.jpg

http://i15.servimg.com/u/f15/14/65/29/42/65000j10.jpg

http://i15.servimg.com/u/f15/14/65/29/42/65293j10.jpg

J'espère que ça servira aux curieux, car je me suis débrouillé pour ne faire aucun copier-coller, j'espère que ma formulation n'est pas trop lourde du au fait que j'ai rassemblé les infos de plusieurs sites et d'un bouquin.

Si vous voyez des erreurs, n'hésitez pas * me le faire remarquer, ça a pu m'arriver, notamment sur les photos.

Midma


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