Door number one? Or door number two?
 

So, rule number 2 of Airsoft Noob-ism, just behind Wer do i get an al blak gan! has to be, Don't ask what gun to get.

That being said, I just sold my TM AUG and I have narrowed it down to 2 guns to replace it.

I will be playing mainly CQB, so I want something smaller than the AUG, with more customization potential, and more rails.

I have narrowed it down to either the G&G AK Beta Spetz or the G&G UMG.

They are both small-ish.

It seems that the UMG is better quality, but the FPS is ridiculously low, stock.

I know FPS is NOT a big deal, but the UMG will eat up my current budget, so no upgrades for a while, and I want to be able to game it right away.

Commence advising me.

-MoreToasties.

FPS is fine for CQB. Go with the UMG.
What is your budget? (it shouldn't eat it up)
You should be, but I am not sure of the UMG inner barrel length, and if it'll be enough for when you play outdoors.

EDIT: Pouches are a little harder to find, but I believe MP5 Pouches can accommodate UMG Magazines

I chrono'd a cansoft G&G UMG @ 360fps only a week or two ago.

My all black UMG chrono'd at 350-360. Even stock TM FPS of 280 is good.

Hmm, more then I thought.

I had heard >250fps.

So, unanimous UMG approval?

And we are talking a student, in-between-jobs budget of $500 max.

The less the better.

We're talking just an AEG, not gear and all, though.

Chargers, batts, sidearm and vests are all already purchased and have seen some use.

For CQB, go for the UMP.

Velocity is not a big deal. The only 'deal' with it is the limits set, and your gun can't exceed that. For CQB, that's 350 fps MAX, and in most of Canada, that's 400 fps for outdoors, although some places will allow AEGs up to 420.

And if you want something customizeable with easily available parts, accessories, mags, etc, you'd probably be better off with an MP5 than a UMG. UMG mags are harder to get, and pouches for them are nearly non-existant (won't fit in the majority of MP5 pouches).

For CQB, your FPS is fine stock, for either choice. However, I'd recommend the AK.

Armalites and AK's are basically the most common AEG's out there; you're going to have more upgrade/customization potential because of that. You're doing CQB, so all you should need is light, verticle foregrip and red-dot sight; rails really shouldn't matter.

Ak also has the advantage of using Warsaw magazines; again, ease of finding pouches due to it's commonality is a plus. If you start playing field games, then you have a platform that can have the longer barrel to help you at extended ranges. UMP magazines are -long-, the length of pull to draw a magazine is pretty rediculous; you're going to have to practice lots to get any sort of speed reload with a the UMG.

Unless you're using some really out of spec knockoffs that I've never heard of; no... P90 and UMP mag pouches are interchangable.

MP5 Pouch
P90 / UMP pouch

Oborous

Whoops. Fixed.

I meant to wrote 'Not' a big deal.

I know I would be better off with an MP5, or, like what the guy above said, an ArmaLite or AK, but I've always had the delusion that I was unique, and like my gun to be a bit different then the masses of Ak's and Armalites out there.

If you feel you should get an UMG, then go ahead, just remember its limitations.

Well, that's why I am asking you guys.

So, here.

I play mostly CQB, but outdoors capable is nice.

I like to customize to some degree; having the option is nice.

I do not like the look of AK47, and the look does matter to me.

I prefer a tactical look, and less common guns are preferable.

Any recommendations?

Well, if you wanted something uncommon and mostly for CQB, I'd recommend a P90. But you can't really customize them much. The UMP still seems like the best choice.. or maybe a Sig 552.

Would like something along the lines of a SCAR? I believe they come with a longer and shorter outter barrel (Not sure on the inner barrel). Has some rails, is rather unique, and you can swap for outdoor and indoor! Plus they use the M-Series mags, and the majority of people carry them, so thats another bonus.

The long/short barrel ones are the SCAR-L and SCAR-H. The proper name for M-Series mags is "STANAG"; or rather any magazines that conforms to the STANAG standard.

Okay, I'm sure I know the answer but I will ask anyways.

There is no clear receiver-ed SCAR, is there?

If yes, I could get it from my local guy without AV (I'm 19, but the AV guy wont respond to PMs)

If no, waiting is fine, but I would rather get the gun sooner than later.

Not that I'm aware of.

Damn.

Okay, well thanks for your advice.

P.S: Is the G&G Pneumatic system garbage?

Seems like it's aimed at noobs, but its sound (like the sound of shots fired) is intriguing.

I've never seen one in person.

Yea, its a gimick. More shit to break.

Fair enough.

I've just always hated the high pitched whine emanating from the gearbox.

I want a GBBR but my budget will only allow an AGM, which I cannot justify spending $500 on, because it seems to require upgrades almost immediately.

Dude there are at least 10 AVers in the GTA. If they wont respond to you why not go to them? For example Brian at TTAC3 who is a host and an AV Rep. Or Jeroon who runs ArmyIssue down in Port Credit. He sells pants and is an AV Rep.

Save yourself the blasphemy of clear receivers and just get AV'ed. A whole world of guns will be opened for you.

Huh, didnt know Brian AVed.

I'll get on that. =)

Fuck it.

Buying the UMG tomorrow. =)

Get the AK. I'd get the CYMA AKS74U if I wanted a small one. Get AV'd and they're on for $360 in the classifieds. There's more AK things around than you can shake a stick at...mags, batteries, rigs, etc...

UMP's are as long as a MP5 but much bulkier. Unless you know you can get/find UMP midcaps...forget it. Hicaps suck and I was stuck with a Star UMP that I couldn't get mags for. Plus...the mags are stupid big. Almost twice as thick as an MP5 mag and straight. Pain in the ass unless your rig is setup to carry that type (i.e. P90/UMP) mags.

If the UMP is really what you want then get it, but just letting you know that it has a lot of knocks against it, despite it being a really awesome and sexy looky good. A gun isn't much good without mags. And mags aren't much good without something to carry them in. Carrying UMP mags on a chest rig is not very practical due to their length. You need them set up on drop leg rigs, which means more gear to buy, and few magazines can be carried.

Like the P90, there's a reason that there's not a lot of them in use. It's not because they're not awesome guns. It's because everything about them is so specialized that it's hard to get what you need to use with the gun. And even them, the long mags are cumbersome. I own a P90. I love everything about that gun. But I wouldn't game it as my main gun for those very reasons I'd recommend against a UMP as your main gaming gun. AK, AR or MP5 would be my recommendation.

i got a p90 and carry my mags in an ak chest rig... no issues with it yet. have u thought about an mp7? if u like to be unique heh. there are a few tm setups on classifides right now.

Went to see my airsoft guy;

Just before I was about to buy the UMG, he informed me about the JG GBBR M4 coming around christmastime - or sooner? - for about $350.

(Anyone have any details?)

I think I'll save my money for that, and hold off on the UMG - based on what you guys have said, I might get a cheap AK47 for the time being - I can deal with the ugly.

I've always wanted a GBBR but never been able to afford one - maybe now's the time? Plus, I know how to care for and upgrade them much better than AEGs.

So, anyone want to pass along some info?

who's your guy, Huang?


if you're cheap, I would advise against buying a gbbr, as those seem to be money pits to make fieldable, the umg is a horrible idea, the resale value is crap unless you're selling it with extra midcap/locap mags as they are hard to find. AK's and M4's are fine, lots of stuff available for them, but really just get AV'd and have a look for yourself.

How about MP5K ?

Mmm I tried it out, and the size was a little off-putting; the accuracy wasn't to great, either. Just not my cup of tea.

I'm holding out for the JG GBBR unless I get persuaded otherwise.

remember mags for a gbbr are going to be around $50-$100 each. plus i would never buy the first run of a gun. plastic gbbrs like to crack. just ask the we scar owners.

Although they add realism, AEG is still WAY better than GGBR. (At least for now)

Mags arent $50+
No need for Gas
More Consistent FPS
Tons of Aftermarket Parts

Mags for GBBR are not $50+ either. You can buy AGM/5KU mags from asia for 20-25USD. In canada for $30-$40. WE mags are $40-$50.

Jeff

No.


SCAR-L Uses 5.56
http://world.guns.ru/assault/scar-l_all.jpg

SCAR-H Uses 7.62
http://world.guns.ru/assault/scar-h_all.jpg

ah ok, when I was looking at a GBBR we scar the gun was $420 and mags for green gas were around $50 and about $80 for Co2

Best you get ur secondary before you get your main don't buy a cheap ak unless you plan on renting

I have a secondary.

Upgraded Hi Capa. I love it.

A cheap AK wouldn't be instead of a good gun, it would just be as a stopgap in between now and when the JG GBBR comes out, so I can still game once in a while.