very quick question
 

I'm so sorry if this is a really nooby question...
KSC perfects are bio...right??

KSC you mean?

no

right sorry, ill edit that....

fuck, someone told me they were bio...

if I remember correctly you had many posts in the "best bb's" thread. KSC was mentioned.

riiight, sorry i really should have done the reaserch myself ,i was just asking a really quick question...

no worries, you must work for your respect anywhere you go-and you're good to go.

gahh...I actually asked the same question in the best bb's thread, no one answered, someone told be that they were bio, and on that recommendation i bought a bunch of bags...

did you ever recieve the samples of metaltech?

sorry different topic

lol no...

i never got mine ither but all well but most bbs will degrade eventually and bio bbs quality isn't as good as non bio

KSC perfects have a soft inner...
after chewing on them, try not to swallow.

lol I'll remember that after my next late-night BB snack

I love how half of the people answering have no idea what they're talking about. Namely Nogear.

KSC perfect's are great quality (but don't work well with PTWs for some reason)..

EXCEL BIO bbs are alright, but they can fragment into extremely small shards which can be bad if someone is using mesh goggles.

fuck yeah man, i guess i have done that myself a few times..I was looking for a solid bio's, someone told me that all KSC's were, and on the recommendation i bought a bunch of bags...

Playing against people who use bio bb's is not very fun at all. :|

Nothing like getting shot in the goggles, having a bio bb disintergrate, and then being inhaled. I was choking for 10 minutes. :|

yeah i guess, but common man, save the planet...

What is it, bio bb's take 3 weeks to disintergrate and regular BB Bastards take 2 months?

What's 5 weeks? Correct me if I'm wrong, someone.

are you sure about that? i trust your knowledge on this more then mine, but normal plastics takes hundreds, or even thousands of years to biodegradable...maybe all BB's are made out of different plastics then normal...

lolwut? Ever seen a plastic bottle left to weather outside for a month in direct sunlight? It'll be brittle and cracked to hell. Keep in mind that that bottle has a slower rate of decay than a bb (which has lower mass and chemical properties).

I doubt a bb would take longer than 6 months tops to decay entirely. Again, I'd need someone who's researched it to agree.

here's a better question: does the planet really need saving?

We are grown men with toy guns. :|

and now for a quote from a great human being "the planet is fine the PEOPLE are fucked"

ahh yes! it really does man, like really....really...really does, and also, don't forget, a plastic bottle is much thiner plastic...you can bend a plastic bottle with one finger, ever tried to break a BB's without like a hammer?
and also, when i mean biodegrade, i mean like totally biodegrade, like gone...

no we're doomed

KSC do make bio-BBs if I remember correctly, but they're not the "Perfect" ones.

As for BBs degrading, they may degrade, but it takes time - even bio-BBs. I tried those Arctic White BBs from Walmart for when I brought my guns out to my friend's place in the country to plink. The idea was that I didn't want to litter his yard with BBs. I was hoping they would break down quickly. Bio BBs from our shooting last winter are still to be found. They're whole and round with only some minor pitting. That's after being outside exposed to the elements for 6 months. So if bio BBs have hardly degraded at all in 6 months outside, I can imagine that it takes significantly longer for regular BBs.

George had it right...

i mean what's the plastic going to do to dirt.

it's just dirt.

yeah I think that even if we totally turned around our lifestyle, we still wouldn't see a difference for many years, and even if we were to do that, there would have to be a massive wealth re-distribution throughout the world, and we would be on the losing side of that equation...

"wealth re-distribution"

*shudder*

do you really think that you and your 500grams or less a game will be saving anything? and at the cost of safety too. every bio I have seen or used sucked and would break, crack exept one from the uk but I can't remember the name.

Well, 5% of the population of North America controls 90% of the wealth. Newsflash: you and I are not part of that 5%.

I think redistribution would make everyone well off except the 5% who would then be at the same level as everyone else.

Perhaps the BBB's? they are the only truly bio BB's on the market, They are made with like corn-starch or something, i dunno, apparently they work beautifully too... but with shipping they are close to 30 bucks for a bag of 1700...
http://www.ironfoot.co.uk/shop/index...ewCat&catId=33

Who said being green was cheap?

yeah thats the point too much for most guys to pay when Bastards and metal tech work great and are cheap and easy to get.

true, right now my parents are building a green house...straw bale walls, geo-thermal heating, solar passive for water (used for heating too)
It's ridiculously expensive...

I wonder if i could try to get a store in Canada to start stocking BBB's...

you'll need more people to commit

I think if they were a reasonable price, I have heard that they are on par, performance-wise, with every other high-end BB, some people even say they're batter...

I personally think people would pay an extra 10 bucks a bag for the planet, i would...

NO even if they could get them cheap I will still support Canadian's like BB Bastards I am sure most would too.

for the planet bahahaha again you are not goin to save anything .20 grams at a time.

gotta start somewhere...

ill give my money to the bastard thanks

besides with the ten bucks i save i can put it to something important like a zombie defence system

the problem is that there is no effective way of redistributing that wealth.

besides, communism went out of style with the colapse of the Soviet Union.

I actually think communism is perfect...on paper, people-including myself- will never be able to totally give up all they're rights for the greater good...
and for it to function effectively, we would need a government that isn't corrupt, something communism has never seen...

Back on topic:

http://img.redwolfairsoft.com/upload...emium6mm-l.jpg

Read the warning label. These are supposed to be very good BBs, but not easy to get and only available in 0.20g.

I wouldn't be as concerned with how much environmental damage you are doing with bb's compared to how much the environment is damaged driving your fossil fuel guzzling automobile, playing on your pc thats powered by some coal fueled energy plant and wiping your butt with Scotties premium a$$ wipe made from trees that transform the air you spew back out into oxygen again. Now really. Are you going to the airsoft field in a smart car? Is your PC solar powered? Come on peolpe! Lets concentrate on what's really important here, microscopic amounts of plastic bb's or REAL earth saving solutions?

In many places, namely Europe and Asia, bio BBs are required on the field. That's why you see many companis that will offer it as a product. I think it's mainly a North American thing where we don't care about the BB. I'll bet overseas you'll see more carpooling in little 3-cyl cars to games, solar power and not wiping your ass (those filthy Europeans :D ).

yeah, i guess your right, there are better ways to save the planet , but I think everylittle bit counts... I guess i feel like i am just starting to get into airsoft, and am slightly dismayed by most the ASC abillity to brush of the enviromental problem with the classic "it's not my problem and even if it is, i can't make a differance on my own" attitude.
I in no way meen to be dis-respectfull, sorry if it seems like that, I'm just stating my oppinions...

Some people will know about a plan "Operation Ghost Town" which was canceled due to the fact airsoft BB's take too long to biodegrade....

Biodegradable BBs are a bit unsafe to use in my oppinion. They are very prone to warping from exposure to moisture. That, and you cannot simply open up a bag, dish some out and save the rest for later... You gotta use em all right up as soon as you open the packets. I'll be sticking to using regular bb's for the sake of my $500+ guns.
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BODY SCIENCE

I can vouch to that I had two plastic water bottles left outside for 2 months, nothing has happened to it.. I jsut recently shiot the hell out of it tho, it lives no more.

I've been on a field with little airsoft play in the past year, and there are BBs that have been there for years, still intact. A little weathered, but almost usable. These are in areas of the field nobody has used for game play in almost 2 years, since September of 2006.

Plastic water bottles are not the same plastic as a BB. There are thousands of different plastics, and some will last for decades exposed to moisture and sunlight. PVC and ABS are such plastics, and I've seen PVC pipe that is 20+ years old in direct sunlight and it's still holding up.

How quickly do bio BBs last is a better question, and how much longer than "non-bio" BBs?

Somewhere I read that a "regular" BB takes 4 years to degrade, whereas some of the bio BBs take from 2 weeks up to 6 months....