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jonathanone June 10th, 2008 13:08

where can i get a good airsoft gun in alberta?????
 
just like the title says where can I get a good airsoft rifle in alberta??? I just wanna go to a few scrims and I want a good gun, not a plastic one.

TokyoSeven June 10th, 2008 13:16

This website has a process called age verification, where if you are 18 or older you can meet with a volunteer representative of this website who will meet with you in person, there is no way around this, no phone, no webcam, in person only, where they will require to see a legitimate piece of photo identification. After the process is completed, it can take sometime as this is all volunteer work, you will be granted access to this websites buy and sell section, where you can find both new and used guns, for fair and competitive prices. Although its not always the case, it is sort of an open market. With Age verification comes access to Canadian online retailer known as shootsoft. You will only be able to access and buy their inventory with ASC age verification. However at this time shootsoft is currently on break. Im sure if you take the time to browse through the verified buy and sell section and find someone in Alberta you can purchase from locally.

Im not from alberta myself so I cant tell you of any "walk in shops" in alberta, I know of some retailers in AB but I dont know if they sell. There is 007 airsoft but he's been difficult to reach lately.

Langohr_9mm June 10th, 2008 13:16

get verified and use the buy/sell thread on here.

Syn June 10th, 2008 13:25

What about:http://www.calcityairsoft.ca/contact.php
in Calgary. Contact them and see what they sell. They had a bunch of guns listed for sale up until recently.

jonathanone June 10th, 2008 13:46

where do I find this age verfing thing?

Forever_kaos June 10th, 2008 13:51

Look in the FAQ

MillerBRo June 11th, 2008 12:11

Well there is a distributor in Calgary who sold me my Pulse R76 for $120 shipped- its the AK-74 shorty that Crosman supposedly licensed from Tokyo Marui. Shoots 300 fps, has a 375 hi-cap, and near as we can tell is 100% upgradable... but it is plastic and clear and that makes it ugly as sin till it gets painted.

But if you are working the rigs then you've likely got some decent play money :D And if you want non plastic you're going to find its a tough go of things so I'd get age verified and drop some of that hard earned coin on a pro gun from Mopic ;)

The Saint June 11th, 2008 12:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by MillerBRo (Post 740303)
Well there is a distributor in Calgary who sold me my Pulse R76 for $120 shipped- its the AK-74 shorty that Crosman licensed from Tokyo Marui.

TM licensing its designs? Can you substantiate that claim?

MillerBRo June 11th, 2008 12:18

not with anything you'd believe (as it is all online info like the Wiki etc and we know how accurate the Wiki is ;) )

The Saint June 11th, 2008 12:22

If that's the case, why repeat the untruth here?

MillerBRo June 11th, 2008 12:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Saint (Post 740311)
If that's the case, why repeat the untruth here?

who says it is untrue? Just because the idea offends you doesnt mean it might not be true ;) You are right though I dont want someone buying something based on false info.

edit- there I qualified my statement so that it is not unduly misleading. For those who refuse to think TM would stoop to sell to a USA company I get that- no offense was intended ;)

edit 2- and for good measure I went and changed the Wiki to say that so far there is no 'proof' that TM has done so. I saw a financial article on Crosman that mentioned they were licensing TM designs as of 2008 but cant seem to find that article... however the new Crosman AK and M3 3BB shotty are clones of the TM designs in the least if not rebrands or relicensed designs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_Marui

The Saint June 11th, 2008 12:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by MillerBRo (Post 740313)
who says it is untrue? Just because the idea offends you doesnt mean it might not be true ;)

It's untrue because it's completely unsubstantiated. Licensing from TM is something Crosman would put on their site, as it'd elevate their perceived quality, but there's nothing to that.

As for straight out cloning, everyone does that. Crosman has done that. It's not the same as licensing.

Klaye June 11th, 2008 12:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Saint (Post 740311)
If that's the case, why repeat the untruth here?

Gee God forbid someone hears a rumour....have you ever heard the term "where there is smoke there is fire". Jessus H Christ God help anyone posting something you don't like.

MillerBRo June 11th, 2008 12:45

naw Klaye he is right to call me on it- I made it sound like fact when I myself dont have enough proof to say 100% for sure. So I went and changed it to reflect that it is heresay for now.

I DO know that Crosmans new designs are exact TM copies so they are clones in the least- and that the new Crosman stuff is nothing like their old crap... but I'd hate to spread misinformation if they were not licensed as TM has a good rep and Crosman has not earned the same rep to date.

The Saint June 11th, 2008 12:46

I heard a rumour that you might live under a bridge, Klaye.

There's nothing wrong with suggesting that something's a TM copy, that's easy to demonstrate and kind of a given these days. It's just that when one suggests it's a TM licensed copy, it affects the discussion on TM's intellectual property protective actions or therelackof.

MillerBRo June 11th, 2008 12:55

ahh agreed- though to my mind the IP reasons make the best evidence that Crosman did license the designs as of 2008- Crosman isnt like the China companies as being in the USA they are directly open to copyright lawsuits etc. When they announced their 2008 releases it was obvious their AEG and pump shotty for this year are the same as the TM designs. Plus Crosmans stuff has sucked harsh to date and then suddenly they have a decent AK and M3... but still it wouldnt be unheard of for a corporation to try to screw over another corporation so until I see proof I will agree to mention that it is hearsay ;)


Quote:

licensing from TM is something Crosman would put on their site, as it'd elevate their perceived quality, but there's nothing to that.
It is not unheard of for one company to agree to license a design but NOT to agree to lend their name to that and make it public. Happens all the time with Coke and Pepsi for example. Certainly if I was TM I wouldnt want to have my name associated with Crosman lol. The Wiki article mentions that TM wont allow Crosman to use the info publicly (but again the Wiki can be changed to say what one wants- hell I could change it to say that TM is marrying Crosman but sleeping with UTG when Crosman goes to work and it wouldnt be true... or would it? :o )

jonathanone June 11th, 2008 13:27

post it on wiki

Crunchmeister June 11th, 2008 13:51

Can anyone enlighten me on what these "new" crosmans are and where I can find them? The only stuff I see on the Crosman site is the same old clearsoft / crapsoft that they always have.

pusangani June 11th, 2008 13:54

yeh I never heard of any crossman made ak's


http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...7DVXA%26sa%3DN

jonathanone June 11th, 2008 18:35

I can get these clear one's at the tempo gas / truck stop here but that's all i can get here.

MillerBRo June 11th, 2008 18:56

http://www.crosman.com/mediacenter/n...%20Release.pdf

Crunchmeister June 11th, 2008 19:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by MillerBRo (Post 740581)

Thanks!

Although I think that $200 US is pretty ridiculous for that AK model. You can get better quality guns for less than that in the US. Chances are it's a China clone that you could get for about $100 US outside of Canada.

MillerBRo June 11th, 2008 19:10

yeah when it hit the retail stores in the USA at Pyramid it was going for $120 so I suspect they didnt predict the drop in AEG prices and had to re-evaluate their $200 tag lol. Course you can get a JG or a CYMA for around that price too in the USA so I wouldnt be surprised if most of the sales are from clear guns into Canada. The shotty goes for about $60 but thats what the UTG shotty goes for as well. Have not found the clear shotty in Canada so I cant say much about it.

I got my Pulse R76/AK for $120CAD though so I cant complain. A friend and I compared his stock AK Beta with it when we were stuck in a trench over the last game and it has the same fps, range, accuracy and ROF (note is has 300fps with .2s - the 375 is more of Crosmans .12 BullSpit). We put it side by side with the local AK Betas and they are identical aside from the stock and muzzle area and look to be 100% uprgadable so in terms of a good gun to upgrade or for parts it works fine. I still think the Kraken is the best ugly sister for your money though- you can even get the nonclear ones at www.buypaintball.ca for $158.

http://www.pbase.com/albro/image/98450299 (pic is by Al 'BuckshotDaddy)

Crunchmeister June 11th, 2008 19:15

So is the Crosman made in China?

MillerBRo June 11th, 2008 19:21

I have not been inside the gearbox yet but so far it looks to only have the Crosman trademarks- I have heard rumors that some people have found CYMA internals which I can believe but I also hear guys who claim they found TM internals. The gun uses more metal than any other Crosman but also doesnt use metal that the JG or CYMA ones do so that might point to TM... or to Crosman just cheeping out lol.

Soon as I can tell the origin of the parts I'll be sure to post it though- ;)


http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6...0002yo5.th.jpg

edit- link to the review I did on it for the regional airsoft forum in the BC lower mainland.

http://www.airsoftkelowna.com/forum/...1785#post31785

Crunchmeister June 11th, 2008 19:27

I know Crosman pellet guns are all made in Japan by Umarex. They now offer quite a full line of AEGs, including a couple of AK variants, but no folding stock models.

Was there no indication of the country of origin on the box or in the manual?

MillerBRo June 11th, 2008 19:32

Bingo! Checked the box and its in English and French (obviously made for Canada lol) but in small letters on the back:


'Made in China'.

I'd think the CYMA rumors have more merit now myself.

Crunchmeister June 11th, 2008 19:51

Yeah, it would have surprised me to see it was made in Japan. In this world of "pick the cheapest bidder", China is the norm.

MillerBRo June 12th, 2008 11:06

yup- it would be odd for an American Corporation to NOT outsource the labour to China lol. In theory it could still be TM internals but I seriously doubt it for the same reasons (CYMA is cheap and cheap sells).

Jayhad June 12th, 2008 14:33

So when the tri-nozzle goes in these shotguns we will be able to take them back to the retailer for warranty.... that could be good

Crunchmeister June 12th, 2008 15:00

Well, that's assuming you don't paint your clearsoft version (the only one that will be sold in Canada). Then the retailers would take them back under warranty.

baker_Jeff June 12th, 2008 17:15

I will have some decent C02 clearsoft pistols in stock soon.


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