Goodbye Anderson and Anderson
 

I don't want to be the bearer of bad news but...

"Due to the increasing customs issues and rcmp issues and just general bullshit for aeg's and gbb's I have had enough and will not be doing any aeg or gbb stuff as of march 31 2008

thanks for all the support guys but this has just become away to stressful on me and my family. I have better things to do in a day then fight with the government over toys.

thanks again for your support and we will see you on the field this year at games.

cheers,

Mark Anderson"

This was posted this morning on the MAA forums.

shit

Considering over the past 6 months he's been jacking up prices $100 or more, no surprise. Now we'll wait and see if Ken jacks prices.

I have no doubt he's been milking it for all it's worth. But in his defence, I would too.

Doesn't Mark no longer having guns = Ken no longer having guns? I was pretty sure Ken's supplier was Mark.

Shootsoft.ca FTW?

Ken does his orders through Mark so I think he may be gone also

i hope ken doesn't find it as stressful as mark does, if we loose him, we are all pretty fucked over.

EDIT: curse my slow typing. shit, i didn't know that ken orders through mark.

Guess that means we'll be paying even more for used guns now. If Mark is out of the business, then Ken is too, since he got his stuff through Mark. The lack of sources for new guns will jsut end up driving up the prices of used stuff.

Thanks for everything...
 

Mark has been a complete joy to deal with over the last 2 years, I will miss him greatly, I wish him and his family all the best on his future endeavors.

As for his reasons, I respect them, plain and simple.

Here's to you Mark!

JL

Noooooo....... I was just going to buy my gun!!!! :( Sorry to hear your closing up the airsoft department.....

You really think so? I know the whole supply and demand thing. But will people really jack up prices because of no new guns? Do new guns really affect the classifieds on ASC?

Notice he said MARCH. You can still buy your gun.

Would you sell a gun for $400 when you can sell it for $600?

LOL sry..... I went right by that.... Thanks:o

Well, I don't think we'll see that happening right away, but it will happen eventually. As it stands, without A&A and 007, shootsoft will be the only 'store' on Canada to supply guns, and at least for the time being, they focus on lower end stuff like JG and other Chinese clones. The only place to get new guns will be in the ASC classifieds. Not saying that the guys selling new guns will jack prices to gouge us (chaseyue and Hellfire989 have reasonable prices right now), but you can bet that for higher end stuff, prices WILL go up as the supply of new high end stuff dries up.

If that happens, prices will just keep going up and up and up until the price of a TM becomes the price of a Systema now. That's crazy. Good thing I have the guns I want, and have the knowledge to build guns. Hmmm...I might be in high demand!

Fuckin' hell, I just emailed him for a quote on something, too.

Really, there are only 2 other guns that I want at the moment - an MP5, and either a 1911 or Hi-Capa. I ahve no need or desire for any others.

Well, I'm sort of drooling over the newly announced WE Luger P08 now, but can live without it.

I really hope that there will be another major importer to come on the scene. I really do not want to see airsoft die a slow death, at the very least it will stay stagnant.

Can we get
 

Confirmation on this?

is A&A done... really?

time to go on vacation in Alaska.

Uh. What?

why can't ken start importing guns himself? just cause mark wants to stop business, doesn't mean ken will.

Umm. Yeah. Mark HAS THE LICENSE TO IMPORT. Ken does not.

i'd tell you but i'd have to kill you.:D

Where did you hear this? I was told Ken used a separate importer.

The import license isn't easy to get. I figure if Ken could get one, he's probably already be importing his own guns for cheaper rather than buying them from Mark.

Hey, if you're in a business and there is only 1 supplier available, and that supplier shuts down, you're also out of business.

Well Mark either imports himself or has a importer. And Ken gets his stuff from Mark I'm pretty sure (from the talk on these boards and general educated guesses).

You know, instead of a bunch of pretty sures, someone who personally knows Ken should just ask him.

lol You guys just can't put 2 and 2 together can you?

What's there to put together? Supply/demand + price gouging. Makes sense to me.

4?

That's odd, usually when someone goes out of business they lower prices and dump inventory since the spare parts etc. are like money you can't spend.

No no, put 2 and 2 together, you get 22.

This really sucks, mark was a good and reliable source, so who's left now?

DAMN DAMN! and double DAMN! well there gose my monday! and the P08 I had on order :(

Only if you're doing string concatenation. So it depends. :P

That's entirely not what i was talking about but okay ya sure lol

I will see if I can get in some plastic bodies. I think body is the only thing that is missing from a list of parts that you can build you own AEG from.

I guess now its more important for people to somehow:
1) Get in contact with a film producer
2) Convince him to allow people grant the import licence
3) Hopefully CFC will allow this
or
1) Laws changes allow importation of Airsoft by specific defining it. (probably means it will require a license)

That blows. I have never ordered from him before but I would have, though we still have till march to get stuff you wanted. I hope I get my taxes done quickly so I can purchase one more rifle.

Thank god we still have Huang!! :D

Why plastic, can you import metal body as well?

He can, and he has.

this is tough news but I respect Marks choice, I am glad I had bought my main gun already. I guess I better buy the Mk23 pretty quick

For that to happen people have to stick together. Here on ASC when people try to do that their posts tend to go directly in the trash bin. I dont know who is the moderator that do this but i suspect him to work in secret for the Liberal party ! ;)

Well i guess ''on récolte ce que l'on sème'' like we say in french.

Well theres always one way effectively in the past, lobby group ftw.
Can I get the direct link about the original message?

what ever... you will just have to look harder.. I just finished building a M4 from all ordered parts... never needed a broker or importer or a canadian retailer (although I used one as I like to support the guys here).... you can buy metal bodies from numerous sellers here

Plus Pirate is still selling PTWs with no issues....

Yea. This is probably going to turn into another "the sky is falling" thread.

Then enlighten us Frank.

The sky doesn't fall till tomorrow when the asteroid hits, followed closely by the US spy satellite.

It's not Lol.

on the bright side.... gun docs will start making mulahs of money for building peoples guns... >.> now I need to learn to build an AEG from scratch....

gonna be a busy year for me then lol

Hey guys... i'm selling my CA scar for 1300$... anyone interrested? :D

It is not a sky is falling thread per se. The issue comes with the growth of airsoft. I think it is safe to say that no one was the sport to regress. I remember playing games with 4 people including myself, now we have 20+ for even skrims. I like that and do not want to see the sport lessen. The fact is there are new players and they are the life blood of any sport; but if they cannot get an AEG, and I am not talking china guns, then the sport is doomed to recession.

No airsoft wont die, it is not like we cannot play especially not if you already have as much a collection as you intend to get. The issue is that we will need to find a way to get new players, and if they have no supplier then its game over for them.

I'm wondering how you magically imported a lower receiver without any importers and not getting it from a Canadian retailer?

Well the sky is not falling for me since i never ordered from Anderson or 007 and i have all that i need in guns and more. It will seems to be falling for others who like to buy new guns and not only the chinese product like JG etc...

Well i guess when you have 2 stores and one of them close his doors i dont think that you can say that airsoft is in good health in Canada!

I don't know if anyone else caught the joke here, but I did.

I think it's time...to put my collection to use...WHOAH !

AIRSOFT WILL SURVIVE IN CANADA !

he used a lvl 80 luck spell :D

It is kind of funny how this is causing a little storm but when you mouse over the MAA front page there's tumbleweeds blowing over the new posts area. It's like they don't even care.

Membership drive maybe? Everyone put me down as the person who reccomended you sign up there OK.

As did I. I lol'd.

There is plenty of posts, but not in areas you can view. Our association is doing quite well for members. If you are not actually an MAA member then you wont see anything.

Well this is pissing me off... But I had a feeling it was going to happen, thanks to Mark for holding out as long as he did.

i cry...

this sort of makes me wonder if its true. There is nothing about in on Marks website when you click into the airsoft section....

I dont think I'll fully believe it until mark comes on here to confirm or deny it!

If Mark was Ken's supplier, then where was Ken getting his stuff before A and A airsoft started up?

true true... we'll have to sit and watch

The original message was posted on the MAA forums in a section you cannot see unless you are a member. It was posted by Mark, therefore it is confirmed.

But why isnt it posted in ASC which is a far larger forum as well as a note on his website?

I will wait for a real confirmation on one of these two places first before 100% believe it like I stated before.

Funny how A&A is closing up especially after he still owes many people in the bulk order.

where, I'm a member and I can't find it

I just sent Mark an email... So wait out.

It's in an age verified section of the forum

Being on our boards, and being a member are two entirely different things.

Well Huang told me at TAC-08 that he is going to open a store in the spring. He also said that he wants to sell AEGs.

Good point! Also strange than one month ago he revamp all his website and at that time everything seems to work well for him.

Well asking the question is answering it i guess.

Remember that Peter Kang guy or whoever that got raided by CBSA and RCMP for abusing his import licence?
And furthermore, Mark posted himself both on the JSOC and MAA forums that he's stopping import of AEGs and GBBs in march, this is no rumor.

Im kinda freaking out right now. I literally just got into the sport, i have a gun en route, and i have lots more plans in the future for more guns. if i can't get any, then well... i dont know how long i will be in this sport. that being said, wont Shootsoft then start importing real AEGs (TM and CA)?

And then there were none
 

So... the change in enforcement policy.. finally takes down the last public source for airsoft guns.

The issue is not " this is going to increase prices" .. the issue is now there will be no ready source for guns at all.. at any price.

New players are going to find the bar much higher for entry into this activity.

007/AA surplus... One in the same, kids.

If one goes, so does the other.

Cheers :(

don't fret my pretty just send your guns to me at pennies on the dollars and I will make sweet sweet love to them on the battlefield

Airsoft didn't die the last few times this has happened and it won't die again

this has happened before? then what happened after that? a new supplier came onto the scene?

EDIT: so its kinda like the matrix movies in that a new "One" appears and brings balance to everything?

It's happened numerous times in the last two years. Retailers shutting down either voluntarily or non-voluntarily.

XP/Specarms, Warcraftgames.ca, ASC Armoury, M1 Airsoft, Rangers Airsoft, Double Edge Airsoft, 007 has already shut down once before, and now A&A. Pretty sure I missed a couple others in there too.

is this just my imagination, or is it easyer to get a real gun in canada then it is to get an airsoft gun?

Cash in your RRSPs and buy hardware to re-sell in a few months time when the snow melts.

Yes... it has happend before.. and it will happen again... The sky is not falling... its just getting dark for a while..

Relax... people could still get guns even when there were no retailers... it just cost more.. Where there is a will there is a way

no you are right, just no the style of guns we play with... unless you are a sniper

No its not your imagination... but that would be because real guns are not prohibited devices... so you can be licensed to buy them and own them..

so after we get past this dark period, there will be a stable importer of airsoft (i.e. TM, CA etc), or at least that is how it has been in the past correct?

They said that's the way it's happened before. No certainty for the future.

There's always another importer. It's just a matter of how well they run their operation.

Maybe... who knows? with the current enforcment climate, Most people who have import licenses are just not botheirng to import.. due to the risk of charges which is exactly what Mark is saying... dealing with the hassles has made it no longer cost effective to continue trade in these items.

CFO is not really issuing any new licenses...as the perception is that there are "enough to service legitimate use now" according to what people that I know who have applied for licenses have told me..

Still there is a huge number of guns already in the community... and new ones trickle in from various sources all the time... buy and sell on this site always has a good selection of guns..

Do you love the game of airsoft?
Can you feild with the guns you have?
Can you make you guns reliable season after season, with out the need to replace the weapon out right?

not to hard to answer yes to those questions is it?

There are two thing you can worry about in this world, things you can change and things you can't....Choose to only worry about things you can change and then there is no great stress. what is the point of getting out of joint over this news? what can you do about it? NOTHING so keep on trucking.

None of this is going to matter tomorrow when we get hit by the super Tom Cruise missle (get it cruise missle haha it's a funny) asteroid. I don't really "know" if tom cruise has anything to do with the asteroid but he know's so much, "you know" that he must have a role in this.

Well everyone with a PTW must be pretty smug right now lol
Think of it this way: If every chairsofter were to put their collection up for sale we'd have enough airsoft to supply all new players for the next 3 years ;)

well guess I better look harder into getting a license

I signed up for MAA and I don't see any posts about AA

Yeah not to mention all the individuals who are making orders through private suppliers, like Chase. Airsoft isn't going anywhere.

Think we're going to see people hoarde guns in the next month?

You need to be first, Approved

Then secondly, Age Verified

Then thirdly, a MAA member.

only noobs, most vets are prepared for this stuff to happen every year