AK Beta Spetsnaz
 

Hey guys, does anyone know if the AK beta spetsnaz actually exists in real steel? Or is it just something cooked up by TM to increase sales?

The tiny magazine it comes with cant hold more then 15 rounds, and special forces would probably require a few more shots then that...

Yes, variants exist. Some infamous photos of Osama Ben Laden show one right behind him.
The names may not be exact, but the thing exists.

i do believe its a ak74u

Ain't this the second time you make this mistake? Bin Laden carries (or did) an AKS-74U with an RPK-74 bakelite magazine, 45 rounds of 5.45x39.

The TM Beta Spetsnaz does not have a Russian real steel equivalent, but one can be custom built. I haven't seen a firearm AK that looked like the TM Spetz, I'd love to see the one you're referring to, Greylocks.

http://www.prnmed.com/kio3/images/osama-ak.jpg
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/WORLD/as...ama.afp.gi.jpg
probably these ones

Look for the Krinkov. I Googled around and found several websites showing the gun as produced by more than one country. As said the name for it varies.

It comes in many calibers. So no, I am not mistaken. If I am, I am not alone. See what Google shows you before saying I'm wrong.

I do believe the only differance (that i can see any way) is the stock. Pictures of the tm beta spetsnaz have a fixed stalk. where the ak74u has a folding stalk.so i would still have to say its based on the ak74u.

just my 2 cents..

ya i do believe greylocks is right on this

thanks everyone. Why do you think TM makes it with such short magazines though?

I did say "variants", and that the name would change. The AK has been so copied by everyone that I'm not concerned with the names.

As a type of AK, it exists.

Dont know why they made the mag so short. The gun looks fantastic with the regular lenght magazine.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...f/AKROMAIM.jpg
shorty mag

Seems a little pointless to me. As far as ugly weapons go, the AK with with the wooden foregrip looks disgusting

Shorty mags are pretty common for the AK. The reasons for their existence is, like all things, someone required them at the time. Perhaps in an environment where the added weight of multiple 30 round magazines wasn't appropriate, or for closed quarters like a submarine or ship where the extended magazine got in the way.

Regardless, they're quite real. I own several.

yah that makes sense. I was thinking they might be for tank crews and whatnot.

With your thinking, pretty much any AK you could imagine "is a variant". Yes, there are many configurations you can see, but I don't see one specifically for a TM spetsnaz. And no, the one Bin Laden has is way off. In fact, almost every part of it looks different, the receiver, bolt, stock, pistolgrip, foregrips, etc. I think the only things that are the same are the flashhider, sights, and possibly top cover and trigger/trigger guard. Pretty far off.

As for short magazines - I believe the most common use is for civilian/hunting firearms. But they have their advantages on the field.

just making sure...are we talking about this?
http://www.aasurplus.ca/components/c...etsnazdone.jpg

thats the one

Except the TM one has a muzzle brake styled after the one on the AKS-74U.

http://www.avtomats-in-action.com/media3/sgaksu201.jpg

Shorty Mag
 

The Shorty mag that comes with the TM Spetz is a little Highcap.. I think it holds 200 rounds..

I have upon occasion.. carried it as a holdback mag to supplement my realcap loadout..

you know..for when you come up on a "Hard Target" and need a little sustained fire option.. I don't like to use it.. but have resorted to it a couple of times to deal with demigods on the field.

Highcap with .28g loads solves many "sensitivity" issues.

sounds painful

Yes.... yes i definitely want one. Personally i think AK's get sexier the shorter they are. AK-47s is way hotter then an AK-47, etc.

Woodland is Osama approved :D

the top pic the angle makes it look like he's wearing a woodland tie.

Why does he always look so happy?

Opium

I'm not going to argue names of AK variants, and I'm not going to split hairs about muzzle brakes or fractions of inches and caliber options.

As a type of gun, it exists, which was the original question as I understood it. Examples have been shown that are more than close enough by others who I know for a fact have real-life experience with equally real guns. I'll stand by my answer.

Well I hope you havent been offended in any way or anything.

Looking back over the thread its just weird for me to think of such a small gun being fitted with a small magazine, and then being referred to as a special forces weapon.

the spetsnaz does not exist in anyway in reality.

Especially since it has a milled reciever.

Well, I'm offended that you'd apologize to Greylocks, who is clearly wrong.....again.

Well now I'm offended that your offended. Therefore I challenge you to a duel. Howitzers at dawn?

Sure, no problem......I'll be bringing 'Dora'

Compensating for something? :D

looking at the TM spetz I think they were trying to sujjest a short version of the AK-47, which would have been called AK-47U, which most of us probably know does not exsist. The one that most of you keep pointing out is the AK-74U which indeed exsists, but looks quite diffrent from theTM spetz. I believe that the AK-74U is not the TM spetz, and therefore the TM spetz (exactly itsself) does not have a real-steel counter part. The spetz might be baised on the AK-74U but does not represent it. Especially the fact that the AK-47 and AK-74 used quite diffrent rounds, although I think there might have been a Bulgarian AK variant based on the AK-74U but used ak-47 rounds. However I remember it looked quite diffrent from any AK I have ever seen, especialy the TM spetz, I can also confidently say it was the ugliest looking AK varient I ever laid eyes on lol.

well...its pretty much just a krinkov.

http://alliedarmament.homestead.com/...op_800x600.jpg

Yugo M-92 7.62x39 Krinkov a.k.a Yugo M-92 krink
I believe is your closes bet
it shares the same parts as the TM AK Beta Spetsnaz
the sight on the top cover
same Flash Hider
same ammunition as the akm, ak47
and Front Sight Block & Gas Chamber Combo

http://www.tucsonshooting.com/pic/20...-19-07-008.jpg

Close, but missing the shortened handguards.

the key word used was "closes"

then you are looking at custom built pistol ak that not tactical military used ak
like this guy built
http://www.thompsonmachine.net/akpistol.htm

http://www.thompsonmachine.net/img/a...l/akpistol.jpg

here is a other ones
http://ewbankak47.com/pic/006.jpg
this one is from a amd65
http://secure.netsolhost.com/575571....0Pistol2tn.jpg

or if not then your stuck with Kalashnikov AKS-74U as ancorp and sleeping_bear mention with a different Caliber: 5,45x39 mm
http://world.guns.ru/assault/aks74u.jpg


now as a design point of view ... it doesn't make sense ... the point of the design to make a shorter akm version by shortening the barrel but it contradicted it`s self buy adding a full stock ( to add a battery )

http://www.airsoftatlanta.com/Maruip...kspetz_jpg.jpg

One thing most people don't notice is the fact that the TM Beta uses a milled AK-47 Type III receiver, but all those Krinks and pistols use stamped receivers, as on AKMs and later.

And about the full stock and short barrel - I agree 100%, thus Jing Gong made a clone with an AKS folding stock. Hell, the first TM spetsnaz had no stock at all, and a place to attach an AKS folding stock. As some of you may know it was called the Alpha Spetsnaz, not the Beta.

I think some people use it but not even the Spetsnaz...I maybe wrong but why are they taking this name if they dont even use it ?

Not to mention that it still has a full length front trunnion, which looks... well, off.

As for the Spetsnaz name, it's to sell the gun. Duh :P

same reason 1980 tehy did 20 version of He-MAn
the original
http://www.thecafewha.com/he-man.gifhttp://www.thecafewha.com/baheman.jpghttp://www.thecafewha.com/ffheman.jpghttp://www.thecafewha.com/lpheman.jpg
http://www.thecafewha.com/tpheman.jpghttp://www.thecafewha.com/mail-inheman.gifhttp://www.thecafewha.com/faker.jpg

to make money

and as for the milled AK-47 Type III receiver, stamped receivers, as on AKMs

ancorp

... don`t get me started!!!

Ak 74u has a right side folding stock, the skinny tube stock, dont ask what kind of description that is, but thats an AK74u