Got any experience with/stories about airsoft cheaters?
 

So yeah, if anyone has any stories or experience with airsoft cheaters, feel free to share yours.

Everyone has stories of they've been on a field. This isn't an off-topic discussion though. In fact it's very much on-topic. So I will move this to the general discussion area. What I would like to hear is INTELLIGENT ways that players, refs and admins have handled cheaters in the past and how enforcement of the rules works at your field. Cheaters are an unfortunate part of the game, but it's how we handle them that'll matter.

I'm not at this time going to share a specific story, but I will mention a conversation I had yesterday after playing at Panther. We were discussing some behaviours we saw on the field, when I said, "There's cheaters in every sport and maybe there's more avenues to cheat in Airsoft than in most games, but Airsoft also provides more ways of dealing with them as well".

How many times has a friend pointed out a player not calling his hits hiding behind a tree or something, and in response we all just turn our guns on that player and move in on them? The player gets showered by multiple guns before screaming, "HIT!" and we all move on with the game.

everyone has experienced issues with "immortals", cheaters, no-no fields, even hot fps guns... Its everywhere. We even caught players swapping springs in the middle of a game.

The sad thing is this kind of players get banned in one spot and then u just find them around eventually in other fields. I love when there is players with cameras on the field because in those cases no one fucks around, or they do it less.

shoot them again until they call it or get salty. Then call them out on not calling it the first or second time for the benefit of the doubt shot.

Yeah, that's a great idea and all, but my experience has most often been catching them as they transition from cover to cover and it's a single hit of opportunity. They've cheated and gained a better position out of it.

I've slung my rifle, walked across the field and explained calmly to the guy that he was hit and that shit cheater play wasn't welcome in our group.

First 6 seconds is relevant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR3T1nfi0H8

wasn't this the kid that burned a patch of a team or something? (ya now I watched the vid again and it even says, he burned my patch) . 5 months after, tadaaa...

I never understood the retards in that video defending his actions.

If someone full-auto's you in a safe zone, that's a fucking assault charge. That's not what you signed up for when you go to play airsoft.

Assault and blatantly breaking rules... yes. Cheating... no, not really. Should be banned from every local field... absolutely.

I did have an experience with a noobie. He was actually in my team and I was teaching him and his friends about the basics of community and the rules and tactics and blah blah. Overall it was an experience.

During the game I noticed that he would circle around and not count his lives during the game. As a mentor and role model, i talked to him quietly and told him to call his hit once he feels it because he may get lit. That is not a remedy to the problem he was facing: Dying too fast in the game. I encouraged him on not rushing at the beginning and switch corner if he though enemy has seen him. Those ideas made him more complaint to the rules.

To solve the issue with cheaters, I prefer to understand why they cheat and try to suggest ideas to remedy it. If they are plain a**hole then do not complain when I personally lit you.

I like to mentor, but cheating comes down to one thing; choice.

Calling the Other's Hit is Even Worse
 

This is an interesting topic.

But I am more concern about those who called the other's hit by yelling " Hey I got you !", as this could easily escalated to an unpleasant situation, which would spoil the whole game day.

Some "cheaters" may not intentionally cheat e.g. when they are running, hiding behind dense bushes, thick gear,..... So I usually give them benefit of doubt.

Best way to deal with "real cheaters" is to shoot him again and again until he calls his hit. If he still does not call it, leave him alone and inform the ref. If no improvement, I just ignore him and encourage everyone do the same, leaving him to play by himself.

To me, it is just for fun, and I would not be upset by it.

I haven't seen this at any of our local groups. I will definitely attribute the lack of cheating to the fact that in the local area there are no established teams. Every game day the group lines up and gets split up. No way to tell if one week you're teammates and then the next you're shooting each other.

It's not a hard and fast rule for all teams of course but I really see that for some teams their whole identity is wrapped up in this high speed low drag premise that they're elite and can't loose. Then as a result they shrug hits and go outside boundaries to insure victory.

I've played a few games with an ironosaurus. Shakes every hit he can, but vehemently insists he hit you.
Incapable of understanding the idea that airsoft guns aren't laser guns and quite often people dodge BBs before they hit.
Ended up just being banned from every local club and field.

This is very well said.

The ones I saw who call others' hits are members from a "established" team, who thought they were more superior (in a sense that a few of them has communication equipments and refuse to be split to the other side,and only let the others fight hard and use up most of their respawn in the first half of the game). They then came out at the second half of the game to claim the final victory.

Oh, actually, the single most heinous act of cheating I've ever seen was at claybank II (The rainstorm followed by windstorm game)

If anyone remembered the berry bushes, the platoon of guys in OD with the maroon berets marching around the field.
Their commander personally accused just about every long-time veteran and community leader of the sport of blatant cheating during that first rainy game, while not calling hits himself.
But the worst part of it is, he instructed his whole team NOT to read the rules for claybank, and to only call torso and head shots "as they usually do".

Not only cheating and ruining the game on his own, but actually instructed his whole team of 30 some people to cheat as well.

I have 2 stories from Panther.

Once when I turned a corner and shot a guy from one of the teams that frequents the field in the back. It hit his backback and he didint feel the first shot and we ended up shooting each other. I yelled that I shot him and he walked off the field. A few minutes later I was shot and walked off to wait for the round to end. While I waited I found the guy and apologized for yelling at him and implying he cheated and we shook hands.

A different game last week I had left my m27 behind to do a pistol rush and flank 2 guys that were entrenched close by. I shot them both and one of them was yelling at me that I wasent calling my hit. He walked off to his spawn leaving me confused as to what happened. I decided to go re-spawn anyway. In hindsight I can see why he thought I cheated. While rushing I distinctly remember a bb flying right past my right ear and I ducked my head when I flinched. He probably thought I was flinching in pain and ignoring the hit. I wear minimal gear so I am pretty sure I would have felt a hit.

Moral of the story? If you feel you hit someone give them the benefit of the doubt before assuming malicious intent. All caps titled "cheater" videos are kinda toxic to this community.

I remember him screaming in your face, then wearing his dead-rag and standing by his spawn shooting people.

I remember seeing pictures of them, they were all about doing drill and having proper military bearing.

Probably if there was some sort of immersive "inspection-Simulation" event they'd really do well.

yup remember them.

Unfortunately the admin team which became the third force was also known to cheat and not call their hits at the same game. Even when presented with video evidence it was let pass, most of the issue with cheating at that game was zero enforcement of the rules by the admins. Several needed ejecting from the game to show it would not be tolerated. This also was happening at MR3, and I remember BBBastard recommending to the host and senior admins that they needed to find a cheater at the beginning of the game and make an example by booting them from the game so everyone saw they meant business, did not happen unfortunately and there was a good 40+ players who walked off the field mid game and went back to camp in protest.

Make an example; I like it.

Haha, we have one of those on the island. He was also an administrator of the club and it brought great damage to the staff credibility when, and I shit you not, yelled across the field "CALL YOUR HIT! I HIT YOU! I'M AN ADMIN! I CAN BAN YOU!"

That was the moment that I realized that guy was a total fucknugget.

Sad.

These guys would also show up wearing maroon berets and their leader claimed to be ex-airborne... He wasn't.

Gross. Shit is cringe-worthy.

I don't have many stories about "immortal" players, but I have a personal way to go about players who don't feel their hits. It goes like first shot : middle of back, second shot : neck, and if needed, third shot: earlobe. Normally at 2nd shot they yell a bit and take the hit. Haven't needed a 4th shot yet... :)

At Panther I Flanked a guy wearing a tank and i hit his tank 5 times and he yelled out "gun hit". These guys also thought they were hitting everyone with their p* with 8 flash mags dumping rounds on guys and calling them out on it. They wern't bad players per say, but they couldn't keep their cool and the whole group ended up being banned, or possibly quiting.

Sometimes during firefights if i see a bb drip 10 feet away from me i'll react as if he almost hit me to draw more fire so i can snipe him while he's wide open. Works every time, depth perception is not an ally sometimes.

same shit happens in Onterrible

I almost always see new players not call there hits. I'm not sure if it's because they don't know what a hit feels like, or if they are frustrated because airsoft turns out not to be like call of duty. Regardless, we always just end up lighting them up - shortly there after they start calling hits.

Not just feels, but sounds. BB hits your PC and you think you just walked on a twig.
You really find out who's pushing limits at night. And I don't get WHY, because people know damn well there are people with NV out there.
Guy gets shot center mass, shuffles left. Gets shot center mass again, shuffles more.
Like, dead accurate single shot coming in, you wouldn't just assume the person shooting can SEE you? lol

If its who i think youre talking about. I Can confirm ban hammered, by me.

Yeah Elliot I took a break for a couple of weeks and found out they were banned when I got back XD