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ShadowTwoSix October 29th, 2014 03:52

CANSOFCOM Colt Canada C8IUR (pics by Larry Vickers)
 
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Larry Vickers posted these on his own tumblr and FB accounts and they've been reblogged several times over. Forgive me if they've already made it on here somewhere else.

Note the Colt Canada IUR and it's engravings. I can't find this exact rail/upper on Colt Canada's site but appears to be a variation of the L119 IUR perhaps custom made for said unit/s?

These were also reblogged by One Shot Tactical:

"Issued CANSOF C8. Photos are from Larry Vickers FB during his visit here to The Great White North."

Attachment 53154 Attachment 53155 Attachment 53156 Attachment 53157

Incidentally, I'm thinking of using this as inspiration for a build. I'd like to come as close as possible to this but I realize I won't be able to get it exact. I was hoping some of the C8 guru's can chime in with some ideas?

Obviously the Integrated Upper Rail is not available for airsoft, but any thoughts on how I can come close to this would be appreciated. The G&P LMT MRP 9.5" upper is somewhat close. The other option is a standard upper eith a Dytac G-Style SMR Mk4 9.5" rail?

Thanks all.

Zack The Ripper October 29th, 2014 09:55

I was curious as well as it didn't seem like that IUR upper existed anywhere else online that I could find in my ten minutes of searching. I did pose the question and tagged Larry in my question asking if he knew whether this was a non-standard upper meant for SoF personnel. No response.

rc_p120 October 29th, 2014 18:47

Yep, it's an AR15 alright..

mcguyver October 29th, 2014 19:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by rc_p120 (Post 1917534)
Yep, it's an AR15 alright..


No, it is a modified C8.

AR15's are civilian semi-auto firearms made by Armalite.

Kinda like calling all pickup trucks Ford F-150's.

hollywood... October 29th, 2014 19:12

it's Sexy - that's what it is!

beta678 October 29th, 2014 19:52

Interesting... first time I've seen the front sight placed like that, neat. Anyways, you can definitely build something pretty much spot on, short of the rail/upper as you said.

Thought I'd throw in a pic of the Colt L119a2's for comparison
http://www.coltcanada.com/images/l119a2.png

Dug around out of curiousity but couldn't find any info on that specific rail/upper. What it looks like is one of colt's rails/uppers with part of the side rails custom milled off. If you get a similar quad rail and have access to a mill you can just mill off that area and viola, similar rail.

If thats too much work, a KAC URX3.1 might be a close second (although the lower rail is slick as well, unlike that rail). Parallax tactical has a rail that's sorta similar (but at the same time, not really).

Everything else is easy enough to find, hogue grip, asap plate, bad lever, moe ctr, afg2, peq box, xps2, flip magnifier, enhanced charging handle latch, flip iron sights and an interesting QD suppressor flash hider of some sort. Definitely an interesting one of a kind build.

rc_p120 October 29th, 2014 20:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcguyver (Post 1917537)
No, it is a modified C8.

AR15's are civilian semi-auto firearms made by Armalite.

Kinda like calling all pickup trucks Ford F-150's.

Thanks Lisa Simpson, I knew that.

I'm just being sarcastic because all these AR variant rifles just seem to be so vanilla and I like to take the piss out of it!

mcguyver October 29th, 2014 20:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by rc_p120 (Post 1917547)
Thanks Lisa Simpson, I knew that.

I'm just being sarcastic because all these AR variant rifles just seem to be so vanilla and I like to take the piss out of it!

Good luck. Not like any serious army is going to use a different platform.

Unless you're a Communist.

-=ArchAngel=- October 30th, 2014 00:11

i believe CSOR has been seen running different version of the IURs with a diff set up during KASOTC.

Great find! Its really awesome to see an upclose of these rifles.

ShadowTwoSix October 30th, 2014 20:41

Thanks for all the input so far!

I realize it's another AR platform, but I thought I'd post it for anyone interested in what the local boys are using. And it's not often I find something that's not already posted here LOL. I did a little digging on some of the other bits (some are obvious) and I think I have it pretty close:

The most interesting aspect I found was the flash hider / suppressor combination. The hider should be this:

Smith Enterprises G6A2-SBV with 22x1 mm RH O.D. thread with 1/2-28 I.D. thread Vortex
"Heat treated same as all other Vortex's and used by Canadian Special Forces. For use with SEI Sound Moderator or OPS INC Sound Suppressor."
http://www.smithenterprise.com/image...6A2-SBV.lg.jpg

It appears to be situated on something along the lines of this:
"Allen Engineering Collar Adapter Extender for Ops Inc Suppressors"
https://adcofirearms.com/shop/catego...pter-extender/
https://adcofirearms.com/wp-content/...r-Extender.jpg

I figure the closest I'm going to get to this (without CNC machining) is going to be:
http://www.cobraairsoft.com/product_...0829c916212b79
http://www.cobraairsoft.com/images/SI-GP775.JPG
Not perfect but wil do for now. Maybe I can mesh together something with a vortex flash hider at some point. [emoji14]

Sights are pretty easy... A.R.M.S. Inc. 40L BUIS:
http://http://armsmounts.com/shop/ir...0l-f40l-combo/
http://armsmounts.com/wp-content/upl...017/02/2-1.jpg

Unfortunately there only appears to be the rear 40L BUIS available in replica. So ine either spends $260 for RS or use something similar like the 71L combo which does exist in replica version but not 100% accurate to the build.

Optics are pretty easy however the Elcan Specter DR 1-4x is an another option seen in use in the wild.

The rest is pretty obvious and easy to acquire:

G&P C8 CQB/SFW (Acquired!)
Elcan Specter DR 1-4x (Acquired thanks to megaman!)
SPR Flash Hider & Ops 12th Suppressor (Acquired thanks to "tofu"!!!)
Magpul CTR Stock (Acquired)
Magpul AFG-2 (Acquired)
Magpul Enhanced Trigger Guard (Acquired)
PEQ-16 (battery box acquired - but would prefer a functional version)
PTS A.S.A.P. Sling Attachment Plate (Acquired)
B.A.D. Lever (Acquired thanks to ronin49v!)
Spare 10" outer barrel (Acquired thanks to ronin49v!)
Enhanced Charging Handle and Latch (Acquired thanks to ronin49v!)
Flip Up Sights (Acquired)
Ergo Grip for M4 AEG Series (Acquired)
Dytac G-Style SMR Mk4 or 5 9.5" (Acquired)

beta678 October 30th, 2014 21:05

Nice! Will be interesting to see this build completed, hopefully I'll have a chance to see it around next season.

ShadowTwoSix October 30th, 2014 21:16

LOL... I hope so too!

ShadowTwoSix October 30th, 2014 23:02

For reference, here's one of the images from Operation Nanook that shows the same flash hider / suppressor mount up close (albeit a little blurry) immediately in front of the triangle sight. This is also another C8 CQB version that I'd like to do... or at least just the upper that I can swap out with the other one. Hmmmmmmm....

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/834428/thu...2-facebook.jpg

R711 November 5th, 2014 15:26

This rail system looks and works better then the system that Colt Canada suckered the Dutch Govt into buying. This one looks like it has a purpose to why the rails are removed and why certain places wee left on. however, this doesn't mean the normal ground troops will have access to this system till parts on the current weapons system wear out. IIRC KAC offered to sell at a discount to the CF the M5 rail system, but the govt declined as KAC wouldn't let them build it in Canada, silly Govt LOL
R711

ShadowTwoSix November 24th, 2014 21:09

BTW, can anyone ID the rail for me in the Op Nanook Image (post #13)? Some of them were using the usual KAC rails, but this one's a wee bit different. I used to know what it was but have since lost the make/model info and can't seem to find it again

MaybeStopCalling November 24th, 2014 22:02

Looks like Surefire.

Viking November 24th, 2014 23:39

Surefire M73.

ShadowTwoSix November 25th, 2014 01:22

Thanks guys! Sadly no replica version that I can find so guess I'm sticking to the KAC rails for the 2nd upper.

Danke November 25th, 2014 01:26

Just get the real one. Surefire makes great stuff.

ShadowTwoSix November 25th, 2014 08:16

Very true!

ShadowTwoSix December 13th, 2014 19:37

And the project begins!
 
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So I managed to find a G&P C8A1 recently. I realize this version does not have accurate trades but it's a beginning. So was a little excited when I got it home and just had to throw on some furniture and accessories.

Danke December 13th, 2014 20:04

He just reposted the pics, check out if there's any new info on the setup.

ShadowTwoSix December 14th, 2014 02:02

Interesting... will do! He's re-posted them a few times now. Seems to be quite a bitof interest I guess.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danke (Post 1924251)
He just reposted the pics, check out if there's any new info on the setup.


ShadowTwoSix January 1st, 2015 19:47

Possible Commercial Version IUR
 
SO... not sure how I missed this!

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum...1#post10866145

http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/...a.jpg~original
http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/...1.jpg~original
http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/...d.jpg~original

And YES... I'm geeking out right now!!! Maybe time to get back into RS! LOL

:p

ShadowTwoSix January 2nd, 2015 17:28

SO... I think I found the right RS RIS to mimic the IUR in Vickers' photos. YHM 5004a 9.2" Free Float RIS seems to be fairly close in look to the IUR's rail section.

http://www.tenpercentfirearms.com/images/YHM-5004.jpg

Only unfortunate thing is that it doesn't produce a full monolithic rail along the top but my Specter DR would sit over the gap and attach to the rail on both the upper and the forearm. Not 100% sold on this one yet though. I may still just opt for a DYTAC SMR Mk4 or Mk5 for now.

Anyone know of any ITAR issues with bringing RS Free Float RIS into Canada? I can't seem to confirm one way or another.

Danke January 2nd, 2015 19:44

ITAR will regulate parts leaving the USA. If that's where you're getting it from you'll need to find an exporter who will tick all the boxes.

ShadowTwoSix January 3rd, 2015 22:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danke (Post 1926758)
ITAR will regulate parts leaving the USA. If that's where you're getting it from you'll need to find an exporter who will tick all the boxes.

Thanks Danke!

ShadowTwoSix January 5th, 2015 15:22

So a couple articles & videos about CSOR training with the Jamaican Defence Force appeared in the Ottawa Citizen a few days ago. This one specifically about Canada dontaing some SOF equipment to the JDF. Here's the article but also the accompanying image that shows a similar C8 IUR on the display table, this time sporting an MFT Minimalist Stock!

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/nation...epresentatives

https://postmediaottawacitizen2.file...-donation2.jpg

Another article and video showing some CSOR operators with JDF personnel while sporting similar C8's.

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/politi...nder-the-radar

R.A.T.M._JLD January 19th, 2015 16:22

Shot Show Sig Range Day – CANSOF Rifle
http://soldiersystems.net/blog1/wp-c...1/IMG_1189.jpg
Based on the 7.62mm SIG 716 platform, this rifle was built to answer a Canadian special operations forces requirement for a battle rifle.
http://soldiersystems.net/blog1/wp-c...1/IMG_1190.jpg
According to SIG’s Kevin Brittingham, The thing that really stuck out about this requirement was the accuracy spec. They required 1 MOA at 300m suppressed. SIG was able to exceed this back with a quick detach suppressor on a rifle fired by Robby Johnson in front of CANSOF evaluators.
http://soldiersystems.net/blog1/wp-c...1/IMG_1191.jpg

http://soldiersystems.net/2015/01/19...-cansof-rifle/

Wilkie January 19th, 2015 19:35

Interesting looking handguard! Lots of ventalation, bet that wouldn't bloody melt your hand like the C7's handguard lol

ShadowTwoSix January 20th, 2015 02:26

Oh no! Something else to build?!?! Curses! LOL

ShadowTwoSix January 21st, 2015 04:24

C8 IUR Inspired Build 1.0
 
So here's the first incarnation:

https://scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/...f0&oe=555E6F31

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...9b3012c2461fd3

Normally I'm not really a fan of the two-tone body. This is just what I had lying around so thought I'd throw it together as sort of a preliminary blueprint.

Suppressor's not right... I have an Ops Inc suppressor, just waiting for some parts to arrive that will allow me to use it. Will have different BUS and an Ergo pistol grip to go on. So far I like the Dytac rail. Only took about 5 minutes to install and I have side rails on the way.

FirestormX February 1st, 2015 23:05

Looks very nice! Not a fan of the two tone either, but it's coming along nicely.

ShadowTwoSix February 2nd, 2015 12:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by FirestormX (Post 1931795)
Looks very nice! Not a fan of the two tone either, but it's coming along nicely.

Yeah definitely a temporary thing. Just haven't transferred it all over to my G&P C8. And it's all getting a paint job so two tone will soon be gone either way! :)

ShadowTwoSix February 2nd, 2015 12:05

And I'm finding I'm not entirely sold on the Elcan Specter yet. Seriously considering getting a flip magnifier and go the same route as the C8 in the original images.

ShadowTwoSix February 27th, 2015 02:48

Version 1.5!
 
G&P C8 IUR-Inspired AEG Build Version 1.5

Getting there! The SPR flash hider is really just a place holder until I arrange for something more custom. 3x Magnifier is on the way. I really like the Dytac SMR Mk5 rail however not long after I got it they came out with a Mk1 version that closer matches the IUR so that's likely getting switched out. Colour isn't an issue at this point as it's all getting painted!

https://scontent-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hp...08&oe=5580B77E

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.n...1e327787c44422

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...3a6c349e7aed20

https://scontent-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hp...2c&oe=557D49C7

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...3a7bb4486b2541

beta678 February 27th, 2015 03:39

Nice, I'm digging it.

Can't wait to see it complete w/ the custom barrel extension.

Btw, how much does the suppressor add to the overall barrel length?

Farmboy February 27th, 2015 11:48

Quote:

Shot Show Sig Range Day – CANSOF Rifle
Might want to clarify that it was built for trials. It's not issued or in use with DND.

The trial that has been redone twice due to silly things.

Spec do require Sub moa performance with suppressor which the KAC SR25 does day in and day out. Hence why in use with all US SF ;)

ShadowTwoSix February 27th, 2015 16:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by beta678 (Post 1936007)
Nice, I'm digging it.

Can't wait to see it complete w/ the custom barrel extension.

Btw, how much does the suppressor add to the overall barrel length?

EDIT: Oops... misread that... somehow... :P The supressor is 218mm or 8.5 inches long. The SPR Flash Hider adds 4 Inches onto the gun but overlaps that entire length into the suppressor so only approx. 4-5 inches extra with the suppressor. The custom barrel extension/flash hider will be pretty much the exact same dimensions so no real change just more accurate to the C8s in use.

And now to decide between the YHM 5004A RS handguard or the Dytac SMR Mk1 Marui Handguard... decisions, decisions...

http://store.specwarfare.com/content...ile-black.jpeg

http://cdn3.bigcommerce.com/s-xock0/...0.1280.jpg?c=2

Viking February 27th, 2015 18:16

The second one.

ShadowTwoSix March 1st, 2015 04:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viking (Post 1936117)
The second one.

Forgot to mention I'm trying to get as close to the look of the IUR as possible. Both are close in different ways. The Dytac's a little easier to get a hold of but I'm really liking the YHM.

Ay Carumba!

BattleBorn March 1st, 2015 09:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadowTwoSix (Post 1931867)
And I'm finding I'm not entirely sold on the Elcan Specter yet. Seriously considering getting a flip magnifier and go the same route as the C8 in the original images.

You would be on the real on though, apart from their price I've never used something so "perfect" for a battle rifle! Except at one point I was running a SR25 with a Schmidt and Bender 3-20x50, twas nice being able to hit really small things from a long ways away :)

redneck12 March 1st, 2015 16:13

Hers another from Larry's FB page
https://www.facebook.com/LarryVicker...type=1&theater

ShadowTwoSix March 2nd, 2015 01:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by redneck12 (Post 1936418)

Redneck12, Thank you so much for that!!!

In the process of checking it out, I found another one Larry posted a few images before:

https://scontent-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hp...94732383_o.jpg

Farmboy March 2nd, 2015 14:37

Quote:

I'm of the opinion that the C8 sitting on the gun case is a personal rifle.
Both are work rifles.

ShadowTwoSix March 2nd, 2015 17:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Farmboy (Post 1936604)
Both are work rifles.

Oh ok..cool thanks!

ShadowTwoSix April 14th, 2015 02:56

2.0
 
Not much of a change.. added 3x magnifier, Magpul gas pedal and switched out the stock for the IMOD which is just my preference. Now just waiting on the SMR Mk1 and then it's paint time!

https://scontent-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hp...9f&oe=55A0FF6F

EDIT: Almost forgot to mention the custom muzzle device/flash hider... that's in the works too.

FAZR April 14th, 2015 09:54

In the video of the Toronto Maple Leafs intro with CSOR, I seen what appears to be the IUR-10's and the closest rails to those are those Knights Armament Company ones(don't know the name).

However, I went with the old C8CQB because my heart has a soft spot for them.

Externals:
-G&G GC7A1 base gun with used unknown buffer tube
-King Arms steel 10" outer barrel
-Chinese VLTOR stock
-D Boys Ergo trigger grip
-Chinese KAC drop in rail
-Zombie Stopper converted to a normal XPS-2
-Chinese Colt carrying handle (Eventually will be swapped out for the correct L119A1 D.I.S. one)
-Tokyo Marui PEQ-16 (don't know the real name of this PEQ but I know for a fact that it's not a PEQ-16)
The incorrect thing I'm using besides the carrying handle is my vertical grip. I'm using a real Magpul RVG.

Internals:
-SHS hi-torque motor
-AoE adjustment
-finely shimmed
New cut-off level, my friends hand made MOSFET so I can pew pew with 11.1 lipos. Shoots 350 with .28, but I ordered a VFC hopup unit and a Prometheus TBB and those will up my FPS so I gotta create controlled air leaks to lower the future FPS so my gun will be legal at my home fields.
All the internal work was done by Jaeger Project (Francisco Lorenzo).

This is just my backup gun but I hope you guys enjoy it!

So it's not allowing me to upload any photos...

ShadowTwoSix April 14th, 2015 12:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAZR (Post 1942778)
In the video of the Toronto Maple Leafs intro with CSOR, I seen what appears to be the IUR-10's and the closest rails to those are those Knights Armament Company ones(don't know the name).

The URX rails?


Quote:

Originally Posted by FAZR (Post 1942778)
However, I went with the old C8CQB because my heart has a soft spot for them.

Me too. If that's your's on the ASC FB page, I love what you've done with it. I'm doing a 2nd one up similar as a backup / lower FPS.


Quote:

Originally Posted by FAZR (Post 1942778)
-Tokyo Marui PEQ-16 (don't know the real name of this PEQ but I know for a fact that it's not a PEQ-16)

Actually that is a PEQ-16 (not to be confused with the PEQ-16A used by a number of US forces). I've only ever seen it in use by CANSOFCOM. If it is in use by others I just haven't noticed. Here's the Insight Technology product sheet for the real deal:

http://media.militaryphotos.net/phot...RONICS/aah.jpg


Quote:

Originally Posted by FAZR (Post 1942778)
The incorrect thing I'm using besides the carrying handle is my vertical grip. I'm using a real Magpul RVG.

Given the amount of leeway they have with furniture and the amount of Magpul we have seen in pics, it wouldn't surprise me if the RVG is in use by some.

FAZR May 2nd, 2015 06:00

[QUOTE=ShadowTwoSix;1942801]The URX rails?

Yes that's it!


Me too. If that's your's on the ASC FB page, I love what you've done with it. I'm doing a 2nd one up similar as a backup / lower FPS.

The tan upper one? Yes that is mine!


Actually that is a PEQ-16 (not to be confused with the PEQ-16A used by a number of US forces). I've only ever seen it in use by CANSOFCOM. If it is in use by others I just haven't noticed. Here's the Insight Technology product sheet for the real deal:

http://media.militaryphotos.net/phot...RONICS/aah.jpg

Yeah I've only seen CANSOFCOM use them as well haha

ShadowTwoSix May 12th, 2015 02:21

Update...
 
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Muzzle device:

So I'm half way to duplicating the very unique muzzle configuration on the CQB models seen in images and video. It appears to consist of a Smith Enterprises "G6A2-SBV with 22x1 mm RH O.D. thread" flash hider:

http://www.smithenterprise.com/image...5.56_03.lg.jpg

And a custom Allen Engineering M4 Collar Adapter similar to this:

https://www.adcofirearms.com/detailp...20Extender.jpg

Together they provide the necessary mounting system for the Ops Inc 5.56mm Suppressors seen in use.

So here's the first part of my version thanks to a local fellow airsofter and his machining skills.

Attachment 48020Attachment 48021

Next up will be the actual flash hider. One option is to have a couple real steel copies re-tapped for -14mm thread however I fear that may be a dead end as they're only available through the US and I don't have much confidence that I'd be able to bring said item across the boarder. Even with the under-$100 ITAR exception, I'm not certain CBSA will allow this particular one. I'm still investigating that option.

The other option is to somehow adapt threads to the closest airsoft Vortex flash hider. I have two of these on the way to use in the meantime. Hopefully they can be adapted fairly easily.

http://store.specwarfare.com/content...r-ccw_300.jpeg

ravan318 May 13th, 2015 23:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadowTwoSix (Post 1946341)
Muzzle device:

So I'm half way to duplicating the very unique muzzle configuration on the CQB models seen in images and video. It appears to consist of a Smith Enterprises "G6A2-SBV with 22x1 mm RH O.D. thread" flash hider:

http://www.smithenterprise.com/image...5.56_03.lg.jpg

And a custom Allen Engineering M4 Collar Adapter similar to this:

https://www.adcofirearms.com/detailp...20Extender.jpg

Together they provide the necessary mounting system for the Ops Inc 5.56mm Suppressors seen in use.

So here's the first part of my version thanks to a local fellow airsofter and his machining skills.

Attachment 48020Attachment 48021

Next up will be the actual flash hider. One option is to have a couple real steel copies re-tapped for -14mm thread however I fear that may be a dead end as they're only available through the US and I don't have much confidence that I'd be able to bring said item across the boarder. Even with the under-$100 ITAR exception, I'm not certain CBSA will allow this particular one. I'm still investigating that option.

The other option is to somehow adapt threads to the closest airsoft Vortex flash hider. I have two of these on the way to use in the meantime. Hopefully they can be adapted fairly easily.

http://store.specwarfare.com/content...r-ccw_300.jpeg

Wow I'm totally impressed man..excellent research. Just 2 questions. Where did you get the silencer and in general from what you're suggesting, there are some people out there who does customized metal works for airsoft isn't it?

ShadowTwoSix May 14th, 2015 02:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by ravan318 (Post 1946516)
Wow I'm totally impressed man..excellent research. Just 2 questions. Where did you get the silencer and in general from what you're suggesting, there are some people out there who does customized metal works for airsoft isn't it?

I got my suppressor 2nd hand from someone on ASC. Mine's either a King Arms or G&P replica of an Ops Inc 12th Model and is designed only to attach to the SPR flash hider (the one I have on there in the earlier pics. The flash hider is CW which makes me think G&P but they probably all come out of the same factory anyway.

I've heard CANSOFCOM use both the Ops Inc. 15th 12th Model Suppressors. That custom barrel adapter and the threaded Vortex flash hider in my previous post is designed to replace the SPR flash hider.

http://www.wgcshop.com/WGC_Shop/images/gp_sl_775_l.jpg

http://www.airsoftzone.com/p/fr/OPS-...G-P/8404/1236/

If you want something similar but that simply attached to a -14mm threaded barrel, then I would suggest this if you can find it in stock somewhere and then successfully bring it into the country:

http://www.airsoft-unlimited.net/osc...roducts_id=843

As far as machinework goes, I got lucky and found a local airsofter who works in a machine shop. However, they weren't able to do the threaded flash hider as it would take different equipment they just don't have yet. What I found though is that most machine shops don't take on tiny jobs like this as they're too busy with larger orders. There's actually a fellow on the Airsoft Canada FB looking at starting up a company to machine custom parts for airsofters.

ravan318 May 17th, 2015 23:51

Weird question, but if I attach a 416 RIS or those non-delta ring receivers to the C8, will that still be considered accurate or factually acceptable? This is because I don't wanna get a IUR, but instead might op for those instead.

ShadowTwoSix May 18th, 2015 00:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by ravan318 (Post 1946971)
Weird question, but if I attach a 416 RIS or those non-delta ring receivers to the C8, will that still be considered accurate or factually acceptable? This is because I don't wanna get a IUR, but instead might op for those instead.

HK416 rails won't fit on M4 upper. You'd have to swap out a 416 upper with it. The top rail on the 416 is higher and at that point I would say it becomes a different M4 variant. I know I won't be able to duplicate the IUR exactly short of having one machined at a god-awful price. The only close airsoft IUR is the G&P MRP upper but for my own taste it's not close enough. Instead I've decided on a Dytac Mk1 10" Rail. My end build should look something like this:

https://scontent-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hp...aa&oe=55D32BA0

https://scontent-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hp...11&oe=55FF3939

I think it's really up to you to decide what's acceptable to use and call a particular model. There's C8 builds on here that are accurate down to the exact trades. Mine likely won't be exact due to cost so I'm just going to think of it as "inspired by" As apposed to an exact replica. No one says you can't use a particular primary with a particular loadout but just expect some purists to point out the it's not correct.

ravan318 May 18th, 2015 00:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadowTwoSix (Post 1946538)
I got my suppressor 2nd hand from someone on ASC. Mine's either a King Arms or G&P replica of an Ops Inc 12th Model and is designed only to attach to the SPR flash hider (the one I have on there in the earlier pics. The flash hider is CW which makes me think G&P but they probably all come out of the same factory anyway.

I've heard CANSOFCOM use both the Ops Inc. 15th 12th Model Suppressors. That custom barrel adapter and the threaded Vortex flash hider in my previous post is designed to replace the SPR flash hider.

http://www.wgcshop.com/WGC_Shop/images/gp_sl_775_l.jpg

http://www.airsoftzone.com/p/fr/OPS-...G-P/8404/1236/

If you want something similar but that simply attached to a -14mm threaded barrel, then I would suggest this if you can find it in stock somewhere and then successfully bring it into the country:

http://www.airsoft-unlimited.net/osc...roducts_id=843

As far as machinework goes, I got lucky and found a local airsofter who works in a machine shop. However, they weren't able to do the threaded flash hider as it would take different equipment they just don't have yet. What I found though is that most machine shops don't take on tiny jobs like this as they're too busy with larger orders. There's actually a fellow on the Airsoft Canada FB looking at starting up a company to machine custom parts for airsofters.

So in other words if I build the adapter + flash hider, then attach the OPS suppressor, then it works too?

And is the adapter suitable for importing into Canada?

Thanks

ShadowTwoSix May 18th, 2015 01:40

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Originally Posted by ravan318 (Post 1946977)
So in other words if I build the adapter + flash hider, then attach the OPS suppressor, then it works too?

And is the adapter suitable for importing into Canada?

Thanks

That's the catch. I have doubts that the flash hider will be allowed into the country. Still looking into that. You'd also have to have it retapped to -14mm should you be able to get one. The collar & flash hider would then (real steel or machined) work with the Ops Inc Mock Suppressor.

http://airsoftcanada.com/attachment....chmentid=48021

Here's my hokey blueprint / specs for the collar:

https://scontent-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hp...59778647_o.jpg

ravan318 May 19th, 2015 03:47

will this thing work without modification?
https://www.adcofirearms.com/shoppin...derno=91370578

ShadowTwoSix May 19th, 2015 08:49

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Originally Posted by ravan318 (Post 1947060)
will this thing work without modification?
https://www.adcofirearms.com/shoppin...derno=91370578

Not really. Most real steel adapters and flash hiders are threaded for 1/2-28 which is much different that the usual -/+ 14mm airsoft thread. You'd have to have it machined and by the time you're done you might as well have it machined from scratch.

Also, I doubt that adapter would make it past CBSA into Canada.

ShadowTwoSix July 7th, 2015 11:48

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So although I have the C8/C7/L119 Gallery thread going as well I'm going to post updates to my own build here and keep that thread for full finished builds. Here's an update showing my newer Dytac SMR Mk1 rail which I feel has a closer look to the IUR and should look pretty good after some additional minor mods.

These pics also show my semi-custom muzzle device meant to mimic the Vortex G6A2-SBV and Allen Engineering M4 collar. It's close but not close enough for my liking (that's my OCD kicking in).

ShadowTwoSix July 7th, 2015 13:25

Having said all that, I may have found a new RS rail that more closely mimics the IUR size & shape more than anything I've found so far. Enter the Troy Industries M-Lok Battlerail!

http://www.guns.com/wp-content/uploa...battlerail.jpg

https://troyind.com/products/m-lok-556-aluminum-9-blk

Regardless of rail, I still have to add some sort of narrow piece of sheet metal to cover the remaining slots from the side rails back to the rear of the rail and add the single picatinny slot at the very rear (as you can see in this pic from Larry Vickers):

https://scontent-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hp...94732383_o.jpg

-=ArchAngel=- July 8th, 2015 01:00

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hp...49270783_n.jpg

kac is coming out with their urx4 m-lok rail soon, too. Also look at the side portions of the handguard that are flat. I believe those are some magpul m-lok type 1 rail covers. Perhaps u could go that route instead of sheet metal

ShadowTwoSix July 8th, 2015 04:07

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Originally Posted by -=ArchAngel=- (Post 1952426)
kac is coming out with their urx4 m-lok rail soon, too. Also look at the side portions of the handguard that are flat. I believe those are some magpul m-lok type 1 rail covers. Perhaps u could go that route instead of sheet metal

Indeed! I will check that out!!! And the rail covers... Oh yeah, if I don't have to go the other route, that'd be just fine with me! Thanks for posting that!

ravan318 July 13th, 2015 03:44

After combining some studies from ShadowTwoSix and other references from other threads in this forum, this is what my current C8A3 looks like.
My current C8 impression:

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/...pstbhudhff.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/...pszxmbqgv8.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1wu7pxgs.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/...psxjcf1bws.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/...psvxxvytxb.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/...psgco0mhmi.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/...psnww0j4vw.jpg


Originally I opted for a more conventional C8 look by spraying the CADPAT light green with the original carbine stock and butt pad, but once I upgraded my Multicam kit to CSOR impression, I also upgraded the rest of my gun to more "customized SOF" style. With this I added the 2" barrel extension (haven't made the custom barrel extension yet), Vortex flash hider, used VLTOR stock, and changed the RIS and removed the delta ring. For accessories I used the EOTECH 552 and the PEQ-15. I also wasn't able to get the proper engravings for the fire selector unfortunately, so I think I will redo the CNC someday to get it right.

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/...sb3ijxqsf.jpeg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/...sb3ijxqsf.jpeg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/...psrdabd4lq.jpg

ShadowTwoSix July 31st, 2015 05:15

So I was just wasting a bit of time with Pimp-My-Gun and did this...

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...25476108_o.jpg

ShadowTwoSix August 19th, 2015 04:12

Latest on my C8 builds...
 
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The idea is to have two full rifles. Just need another lower/upper set and I'll be good to go! As you can see in one of the images, my trades are still the non CF Diemaco trades and that irks me constantly. Hopefully with a new body set I can get proper trades engraved and have peace of mind! At that point, I'll leave the G&P Diemaco body to my backup. :P

Oh... and paint!

CanTacBro August 19th, 2015 11:21

Awesome !!!!

ravan318 September 29th, 2015 03:39

Hey Shadow how did you get the silencer to work/attached to the gun?

I have the Vortex Flash Hider and the Ops Inc 12th Suppressor, but I don't know how to attach the suppressor to the gun. Can you explain if there are anything else I have missed?

Thanks

ShadowTwoSix September 29th, 2015 10:14

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Originally Posted by ravan318 (Post 1960141)
Hey Shadow how did you get the silencer to work/attached to the gun?

I have the Vortex Flash Hider and the Ops Inc 12th Suppressor, but I don't know how to attach the suppressor to the gun. Can you explain if there are anything else I have missed?

Thanks

Yeah I didn't. Not yet anyway. It's the SPR flash hider stuck on there as a placeholder. Just thought I pop it on to take pics of my boomstick with the suppressor. The suppressor is purely for looks and serves no other purpose on my build as the SPR flash hider does not allow a longer inner barrel to protrude through the bore at the very front as it's too narrow. Besides, I'm a firm believer in Hop-up / barrel group mods to increase range & accuracy over and above longer inner barrels.

I still hope to have a functional machined flash hider some day that will allow the suppressor but for now I'll just throw on the SPR if needed.

:P

ravan318 September 29th, 2015 10:19

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Originally Posted by ShadowTwoSix (Post 1960153)
Yeah I didn't. Not yet anyway. It's the SPR flash hider stuck on there as a placeholder. Just thought I pop it on to take pics of my boomstick with the suppressor. The suppressor is purely for looks and serves no other purpose on my build as the SPR flash hider does not allow a longer inner barrel to protrude through the bore at the very front as it's too narrow. Besides, I'm a firm believer in Hop-up / barrel group mods to increase range & accuracy over and above longer inner barrels.

I still hope to have a functional machined flash hider some day that will allow the suppressor but for now I'll just throw on the SPR if needed.

:P


Thanks. So in other words I have to use the SPR flash hider in order to attach the silencer is that what you mean? Or is there a way or some possibilities to use the Vortex and the silencer together?

ShadowTwoSix September 29th, 2015 23:28

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Originally Posted by ravan318 (Post 1960154)
Thanks. So in other words I have to use the SPR flash hider in order to attach the silencer is that what you mean? Or is there a way or some possibilities to use the Vortex and the silencer together?

No there's no way I know of to use the airsoft version Smith-style Vortex flash hider to attach the Ops Inc suppressor. It needs to be narrower by at least 1-2mm and threaded on the outside. You could in theory find a machine shop to mill down the front diameter a bit and have the rear threaded on the outside. Only problem I foresee might be the front prongs getting too thin to look realistic.

My preference is to design one from scratch almost identical look to the Smith Enterprises Vortex G6A2-SBV but using the dimensions from the front end of the SPR flash hider. Now I just need someone to machine it for me! :)


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ravan318 October 4th, 2015 07:48

What will be the model marking on the C8 if I'm dressing the rifle up as CANSOFCOM style? C8A3? SFW?

And do the CSOR/JTF2/SOFCOM still use the Simon Sleeve for their CANSOFCOM rifles?

ShadowTwoSix October 5th, 2015 13:45

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Originally Posted by ravan318 (Post 1960592)
What will be the model marking on the C8 if I'm dressing the rifle up as CANSOFCOM style? C8A3? SFW?

My guess is they would be somewhat older lowers paired with CQB & IUR uppers but there may very well be newer A2 & A3 lowers as well. Keep in mind the model designations indicate out of factory configurations more than anything (with some specific exceptions). Since there is no specific CBQ model designation it seems logical that the CANSOFCOM setups would include various lowers. PM'd you with more on this.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ravan318 (Post 1960592)
And do the CSOR/JTF2/SOFCOM still use the Simon Sleeve for their CANSOFCOM rifles?

Looks like it as per these recent images:
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/attachm...5&d=1434477897
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/attachm...6&d=1434477897

Chotto October 5th, 2015 15:36

Have you tried some of the local maker spaces in your or neighboring Communities? I know when planning one here I visited one that had their own CNC router/laser engraver. Usually there is a cost to join or some such, but it could solve your issues in finding someone to do the work. They would train you to use their machinery. Just a thought.

ShadowTwoSix October 7th, 2015 01:54

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Originally Posted by Chotto (Post 1960681)
Have you tried some of the local maker spaces in your or neighboring Communities? I know when planning one here I visited one that had their own CNC router/laser engraver. Usually there is a cost to join or some such, but it could solve your issues in finding someone to do the work. They would train you to use their machinery. Just a thought.

That's VERY interesting! Thank you Chotto for that idea!!! I will definitely have to look into it in this area. :D

-=ArchAngel=- November 16th, 2015 00:25

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...18&oe=56F8A02B

interesting PC setup......S&S precision?

Conker November 16th, 2015 00:43

Yes. Which makes sense with swimming gear.

ShadowTwoSix November 16th, 2015 04:06

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Originally Posted by -=ArchAngel=- (Post 1964276)
https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...18&oe=56F8A02B

interesting PC setup......S&S precision?

I'm sorry... there's a PC in the picture?!?! LOL Incidentally, where did this pic come from? This is one I haven't seen before. :o

-=ArchAngel=- November 16th, 2015 05:27

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Originally Posted by ShadowTwoSix (Post 1964282)
I'm sorry... there's a PC in the picture?!?! LOL Incidentally, where did this pic come from? This is one I haven't seen before. :o

I think it was on hkpro. Someone mistook it as an hk416 hahaha

ShadowTwoSix November 16th, 2015 14:27

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Originally Posted by -=ArchAngel=- (Post 1964283)
I think it was on hkpro. Someone mistook it as an hk416 hahaha

Nice...and thanks! Also interesting seeing another one with the MTF Minimalist Stock.

FAZR November 24th, 2015 21:20

Pew pew pew

http://i.imgur.com/mcC6lch.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/VwQvbSR.jpg

Wilkie November 27th, 2015 15:07

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Originally Posted by -=ArchAngel=- (Post 1964276)
https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...18&oe=56F8A02B

interesting PC setup......S&S precision?



I very much dislike those magazine pouches. I can't think of a way to more effectively expose your rounds to the dust and muck.

-=ArchAngel=- November 27th, 2015 15:25

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Originally Posted by Wilkie (Post 1965131)
I very much dislike those magazine pouches. I can't think of a way to more effectively expose your rounds to the dust and muck.

Considering its use case, its an intended trade-off for better water drainage. Whether its worth it is up to them to T&E. Many other SOF (eg US navy seals) have been doing the same.

ShadowTwoSix December 14th, 2015 02:29

So if these were adopted: Colt Canada MRR: The Modular Railed Rifle

http://calibremag.ca/wp-content/uplo...14-897x520.jpg

Then I could just use the Troy M-Lok Battle Rail that I posted earlier and I'll be even closer to this look than before!!!

http://media.midwayusa.com/productim...881/881588.jpg

ravan318 December 14th, 2015 03:18

And here it is, my C8A3 after major mods.
I got someone to do my engravings in HK and it came out exactly how I preferred. The fire selectors have accurate markings

Other things include:
  • Simon Sleeve
  • Spectre Dr 1-4x
  • Ergo grip
  • Sling plate
  • Vortex flash hider
  • Vltor IMOD Stock
  • PEQ-15

I originally wanted to put the PEQ to the top, but I after realized how much it was blocking the sight, I took it off.
I will eventually paint it tan someday, but for now I consider the project as finally completed.

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/...psudicdoxh.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/...pssxpabgsl.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/...ps6r9qhbmh.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/...pscf8sh8if.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/...pshltmu6ww.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/...pswtsu8jum.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/...psueyxvtz3.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/...psovr6vhsi.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/...pst5q6mn6c.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/...psnhcjtyvm.jpg

ShadowTwoSix April 15th, 2016 03:36

Anyone got $350.00+ kicking around?

http://page12.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/j...ion/p508599889

http://wing-auctions.c.yimg.jp/sim?f...=1&sr.fs=20000

ShadowTwoSix April 15th, 2016 04:07

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And then I find this...

http://form1suppressor.boards.net/th...mounts-collars

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ShadowTwoSix May 2nd, 2016 02:28

Updated my "Gunstruction" C8IUR wannabe to include the 9" Troy Industries M-Lok Battlerail. I definitely think this is the way to go.

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...29982414_o.jpg

ShadowTwoSix August 5th, 2016 15:59

CANSOFCOM C8IUR Parts List
 
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So I just realised I never posted a parts list of everything in Larry Vickers' CANSOF C8IUR images... So here it is:

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- Colt Canada C8 Integrated Upper Receiver (11.5 Inch CANSOFCOM variant)
- Unidentified Colt Canada A2-style Lower Recevier (either FTHB or A3)
- Smith Enterprises 5.56 Vortex Flash Hider (G6A2-SBV with 22x1 mm RH O.D. thread)
- Smith Enterprises Thread Protector for G6A2-SBV Flash Hider
- Allen Engineering Custom M4 Adapter Collar
- Magpul Enhanced Trigger Guard
- ERGO AR15 Pistol Grip
- Magpul CTR Stock
- Random patch of black Velcro on CTR Stock ;)
- Insight An/PEQ-16 Integrated Pointer/Illuminator Module (IPIM)
- EOTech XPS3 Holographic Weapon Sight
- Aimpoint 3x Magnifier
- LaRue Tactical LT755-30 Magnifier Swivel Mount
- A.R.M.S. 40L Front & Rear Back Up Iron Sights
- Magpul ASAP Sling Plate
- Magpul B.A.D. Lever
- stanang 5.56 Magazine
- Magpul Ranger Plates for Stanag Magazines
- Magpul Angled Fore Grip 2
- Ops Inc. 15th model 5.56 Suppressor

Other Parts Observed in use on C8IUR the Wild:

- Colt Canada C8 Integrated Upper Receiver (11.5 Inch CANSOFCOM variant)
- Insight AN/PEQ-15/LA-5 Advanced Target Pointer Illuminator Aiming Laser (ATPIAL)
- Insight AN/PEQ-14 Integrated Laser White Light Pointer (ILWLP/Lam)
- EOTech 553 Holographic Weapon Sight
- Elcan Specter DR 1x/4x Dual Role Optical Sight
- Magpul Rail Sling Attachment (RSA)
- Surefire M620V Scout Weapon Light
- Inforce WML & WMLx Weapon Lights
- Surefire x300 LED Weapon Light
- Knights Armament Co. Forward Pistol Grip
- Vltor Modular Stock (MOD)
- Vltor Improved Modular Stock (IMOD)
- Mission First Tactical Battlelink Minimalist Stock
- Magpul PMAGs (various iterations)

ShadowTwoSix August 5th, 2016 16:09

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Incidentally, this whole IUR thing blew wide open for me when I happened across a post on The Reptile House Blog mentioning the new UKSF L119A2 appearing to have the same or similar IUR as the CANSOFCOM variant! WHOLLY CRAP!

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https://thereptilehouseblog.com/2016...d-uksf-l119a2/
https://thereptilehouseblog.com/2016/05/15/cansof-yhm/

Rich, the author of the blog, also referenced this thread and gave me a shout out! Super guy!

If you haven't visited his blog, please do! It's an amazing collection of articles and images of PTW's, L119's, C8's & HK416's as well as related up-to-date industry info!

Thanks again to Rich from https://thereptilehouseblog.com/

-=ArchAngel=- August 5th, 2016 20:41

There are also some more pics of UKSF( SAS?) posing with the Jordanian king and wielding their new l119a2 rifles. I forget where i saw them....perhaps gearsoc?

ShadowTwoSix August 6th, 2016 00:03

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Originally Posted by -=ArchAngel=- (Post 1986358)
There are also some more pics of UKSF( SAS?) posing with the Jordanian king and wielding their new l119a2 rifles. I forget where i saw them....perhaps gearsoc?

Looks like the IUR to me!

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ravan318 August 9th, 2016 23:03

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Originally Posted by ShadowTwoSix (Post 1986368)
Looks like it!

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Are they really the SAS though?
Not sure if it's the Anson Tactical coveralls they're wearing, but I don't recall their previous blue coveralls from the black kit having those kneepads

C23 August 9th, 2016 23:18

http://i1151.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0wfbg7jp.jpg

ShadowTwoSix August 10th, 2016 03:33

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Originally Posted by ravan318 (Post 1986617)
Are they really the SAS though?
Not sure if it's the Anson Tactical coveralls they're wearing, but I don't recall their previous blue coveralls from the black kit having those kneepads

I don't know enough about UKSF to say one way or another. What I infer from the image though is that they seem to be rocking a version of the C8IUR similar to that of CANSOFCOM. So far UKSF appears to be the only other group utilizing that specific version.

In addition, several recent media reports have come out regarding the SAS has been deployed along side of Jordanian Special Forces in the fight against ISIS/ISIL.

ShadowTwoSix August 10th, 2016 03:35

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ShadowTwoSix September 28th, 2016 06:44

L119A2 IUR Reference Pics
 
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As far as I can tell, this upper is identical to the CANSOFCOM version with the exception of the blocky reinforced grenade launcher lug very rear of the bottom rail. UKSF retained this lug while CANSOFCOM opted to have it removed.

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Hopefully additional images will become available in the near future!

PS. I also just posted about this "3rd Gen Colt Canada (SAS) IUR" in the C8/C7/L119 gallery thread. However, I thought it would also be prudent to post the pics here for anyone using this thread as reference for an IUR style build.

ShadowTwoSix November 10th, 2016 13:50

So... just messing around with TinkerCAD...
 
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Just messing around with TINKERCAD...

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Z-Bad December 11th, 2016 20:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by ravan318 (Post 1986617)
Are they really the SAS though?
Not sure if it's the Anson Tactical coveralls they're wearing, but I don't recall their previous blue coveralls from the black kit having those kneepads

Those aren't coveralls. They are Crye G3 pants in Blue.


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