A.P.S CAM870 CO2 Powered Shotgun
 

While lurking the endless reaches of the internet, I stumbled upon this little piece of godly awesomeness. Air Pneumatic Systems has just released a fully functional CO2 powered shotgun, with a firing capability of 12 BB's per shot in a wide-shot format using individually charged shotgun shells. I thought I would post it up on ASC to see what you guys think of this in the development of airsoft technology. Personally, I'm very impressed given my bias to finding an airsoft shotgun that actually fires more than 3-5 BB's and doesn't break. :rolleyes:

http://www.apsram.ca/media/catalog/p...m/img_5095.jpg

Youtube will explain the rest.

A.P.S CAM870 Shotgun Review.

Charging & Loading The Shells.

Bring a lot of cash.

$600 CAD is comparable for performance and functionality, given that there are other manufacturers coming up with their own designs. For instance, Airsoft Innovations is building a conversion kit for the Classic Army 870 and it does not fire 12 BB's nor does it use chargeable shells. So really it depends on what it is worth to the individual.

If you get one of those in hand for $600 after they're released you can count yourself very lucky.

I was excited for this right up until the proprietary shells.

They are ridiculous. They also fire a form of wadding, which means you get no hop up at all (not a huge issue, but if your design decreases performance... don't make it take a minute to load each shell...) and more importantly could be a safety hazard (catching 12 bb's at point blank from 400fps could suck... hard, harder if the wadding didn't disperse).

I have seen AI's shotgun in person, and it's glorious.

Tell me about the AI conversion kit for CA870 or the AI shotgun please!

Realistically how much punch do you think can pack into that shell? It's a very small chamber and I know you can get a small space to a high pressure it's going to dissipate as it pushed the load down the barrel.

This would be a pretty cool indoors close contact weapon I think. Plus then the shells would be semi collected in the site.

To be fair, I could do without hop-up in a shotgun. If I have a shotgun, I'm not trying to be accurate, I'm trying to hit everything.

Sometime next year when the funds are available, I might pick this up.

i wonder how many 8mm it could hold....

Without hop, a lot of the energy will be gone within 100 feet.

But if you look at their sniper systems, they have 6mm at 800fps with the crazy shells... and 500fps on average. Even if that translates to 300fps at the muzzle with 12 bb's, that's 12x 0.2g = 2.4g @ 300fps at the muzzle. That shit would hurt. 10.05 Joules of hurt to be more on topic... It would have to shoot 116fps at 2.4g for 1.5J of energy...

I'd be curious how safe these guns are...

NB I can't speculate on the AI shotgun, my time with it was limited, but I will fuel the hype train. It's amazing.

First of all, I like this shotgun without hop up and just using co2 PUSHING all bbs out of the 12G barrel and spread out. Since it is using wad, the co2 energy is not directly on each bb, it's PUSHING them. I believe that would have alot of lost and reduce power. Secondly, 12 of the .2g bbs doesn't mean that all on one piece in 2.4g, so the total energy should not all on 10.05J, I think should be divided by 12 plus the lost by pushing as far as I understand. Correct me if I'm poor on physics knowledge. Or if I'm lucky to get one to find out.
This design, the worst thing is the reload as you mentioned that I totally agreed. It's a disaster!

I have a double barrel shotgun using GG shell and 6mm barrel. All the bbs i load in the shell, the gas direct pump out all bbs through the 6mm barrel, that minimize the energy lost. Not like this APS one, through the 12 gauge barrel.

Sorry for going off topic, but who makes a double barrel airsoft shotgun??

Wah Sang, the third photo from the link below.

http://airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=155773&page=2

I was apprehensive in the beginning because it brought the Hwasan Mad Max Sawn-Off or the Tanaka M1897 Trench to mind, but A.P.S is on the "proprietary wagon" right now and what I've been hearing through the grapevine is that the shells and wadding are fairly cheap.

Better than a springer shotgun shooting a single BB, eh? :cool:

seems like our very lucky time is here in Canada!

Ive seen them for 600 at canadian retailers, Ill buy one as soon as I can afford it, and after I get a Groza.. god too much shit on my shopping list.. anyways
I've got 2 of the APS shell ejecting sniper rifles and theyre well built and alot of fun, so Im hopeful about this, hopefully they used a good alloy for the shell lifter and stuff and it holds up

We both shell eject fans and I pretty sure this will be a most realistic collector piece. Good for practical shooting. Can't wait to get one!

All the vids I see of these things have really crusty looking wood, and paint seems to be brittle.

Dunno if I could pay their asking price.

Change it to the look you like. This one has a lot of potentials to be customized. The stock is a solid piece, no gas tank in there. Even the hand guide too, might use RS one??

Obviously you haven't seen this video yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px1fG...f8L-7F_mzBz8qw

Novelty...

-No hop up for range
-wadding that is not a good seal will eat up CO2 cartridges like candy
- use a goofy mesh bag to catch the ejecting shells
- cumbersome gas filling

it's here already in some retailer lol

everyone is forgetting the fact that it uses disposable sabots

they really do need a more conveniently refillable shell design though... re gassing my apm50 shells with this loader takes ages

more ass'y even barrels added from APS, or you may get a Magpul SGA stock and hand grip, awesome! I wish they will make a 870 Wingmaster barrel.

http://www.remington.com/~/media/Ima...tr16-prod.ashx

http://www.aps-concept.com/index.php...ry&path=25_115

Just received it, OMG, what a solid piece! Just a bit lighter weight than I expected but the shell eject is awesome! The wood finish..... Hmmm..... Need to do something on it to make it more handsome look! Not yet test fire it cause it Saturday family night...

you lucky son of a gun! I soooo wish I hadnt just stopped working and started school... now Im gonna be poor for a long time

Pictures??? WE NEED PICTURES! :D

you can get this pictures from google images too, but I post them in shotgun collections thread, the APS CAM870 is the most realistic one now. Like it so much.

Here is the link:
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthr...30#post1888530


the uncle mike shell holder is metal one, need to modify the clip and add felt in it to work better.
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Shot 50 rounds and exchanged co2 once then shot another 20 rounds, disassembled it and did clean up. Based on the trigger group assemble, I believe it is using kind of RS material same as the parts I ordered from Remington. Couple of little issues,1, co2 charger struck sometimes, 2,found the first leaking shell, 3, better not re-use the wads, 4, cap damaged pretty quick since the extractor is steel, need to file a bit to make it back in shape. 5, Pump load sometimes not smooth but eject is perfect. Sound loud and could use 4 of 8mm bbs.

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For the look, the feels, the way it shoot, even the quality, it's not bad for the price I paid for. Good for collections, may not good for gaming , for sur not for CQB, need a lot of shells preloaded. Like you reload RS ammo, lol....

Another 30rounds test fire, works perfectly smooth, loud and clean load and eject. Could be the clean up and light mod for the internal last light make it the best.
Today fixed and solution:
Shell leak when recharging, roll the shell to see which direction could minimize the leak for time being, or just replace o-ring.
Once you get the shell charger, you need to install the co2 container to the shell charger, there is an clear o-ring in front of the co2 container, don't damage it, I did and thats why I though it used a lot of co2 cause it was slow leaking, lol. Hope that is ture.
The charger pin stuck in to the end cap, lightly file the pin would be fine, make sure not too much or it will cause co2 leak during charging.
I think that is it, hope those info would help. I need to go back to shoot some more now, haha!!

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Ha, since the wads can't be use more than two times(damaged the four side wings) and could stuck inside barrel, and the paper sealing not possible to reuse. I cut out the side wings on the wad and use two insert in a shell with 12 bbs in between, that works well. And can be kept using for a while, save some money!

this way will reduce the shooting range and power
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Side note: I have feelings this shotgun could be...... if someone report it a RS?

Ive been toying around with these inside stores in HK and from what ive seen they are pretty sturdy. also compatible with all those RS accessories out there. most common ones are the magpul stocks and grips.

however rumours are that these will be seeing limited days in HK as it apparently does something extremely close to the RS one with the pin hitting a primer that kinda stuff. Heard someone said that anyone with a milling machine or something can make a RS one and throw it in. how true this is i dont know or if doing so will cause the gun to blow up in your face is another story. but because of this, its days maybe numbered.

Note that all this is just speculation of rumours from what I heard. I dont know if they are true or whatnot. but I'm in HK right now and all this shiz is happening so :S all i can however is this gun is pretty amazing and will work extremel well for those 3 gun shooters out there. I think that was its purpose.

It's a very nice one especially the trigger set is likely close to RS material. For sure this whole piece is last longer than others airsoft one. Could minimize parts wearing. I have a competition shell lifting arm ordered from Remington, shows the material are very close to APS, and way different from Maruzen one(so fragile), but need to modify to fit in(still working on it). Even I've found Magpul stock in Canada at right price. I've ordered the other brand and also gold plate trigger to try out. They are pretty close size to fit in, let's see!

can you tell me where you buy it or where i can have one ?

After 200 rounds cycle, and a bit more fine tune, now both load and eject are running smooth like hell. When it was new loading the shell sometimes may jam a bit and you just have to pull back a bit and push forward would work. All I did was filed the other side of shell catcher of the bolt, there is a kind of spring on the side wall of the housing, when the bolt pushing forward and hit it, it made a fiction there if I didn't push forward smooth enough. Filed the bolt a bit in 45 degree on the point that hit the spring. After done, no matter you rack it not too smooth and it still will load the shell much better.
Next, it' time to make a new look with RS accessories! What's about Magpul stock and frontgrip? Or the new pistol grip look like the new TM870 one? And the Remington trigger in gold is on the way!!

Top: Original APS CAM870M Trigger Set
Bottom: Remington Competition Shell Loading Arm
PS, this needs to have precious modify to make it working smooth, even the original one, I can see it's been done mod heavily and close to 95% smooth. Mine is now 75-85% only. Need to work on it again!
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After installed Remington shell loading arm
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Loaded with shell
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update pictures from post #31

spent some time and fixed the Remington competition shell lifting arm to work the best, now it's almost 95% perfect smooth.
trigger set dis-assembled
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shooting this shotgun in 3 positions: horizontal, 30 degree muzzle up(the most challenge angle for feeding) and 30 degree muzzle down. If all three are shooting okay, it is well tune. But if you got stuck sometimes, don't force it forward, slightly pull back a bit and push forward again would be fine, the part you may need to mod is 870-36.
top-original, bottom-Remington
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right loading
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right height
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File it a bit round in the front of each shell when it id new, also clean the back of the shell once in a while, you would have a better smooth loading.
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Don't un-screw the bolt cause it is thread locked. I did break one of the screw already, still working okay, need to spend some time to fix it though! damn!
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next project is the Remington trigger in gold....
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Those shells look BEAT UP...are they deformed in any way?

Since total around1000 times cycle and including around 750 rounds cycle with shells for testing, the shotgun parts are still in good condition, but the 6 shells (average take 130 shots each shell) look a bit beaten up(the extractor is steel kind and the shell end cap is aluminum, steel beats aluminum), of cause. That's what I like this APS shotgun design for, long lasting steel internal parts and only need to maintain the shells. For Japanese version one, it crashes already even using HFC gas. APS has the parts support on replacement shell end cap and shell cartridge, even o-ring too. The red, blue and white cartridges housing are so durable and hardly be deformed since I tortured them pretty much! And also the parts and accessories you can use RS part to enhance it last longer and looks better too. Those are the projects I'm slowly working on, stayed tune!

Video is coming up soon.....

Great review/report
Thanks for the time you take on updating this thread, this is the kind of info we need

A question comes to mind, again (as it was discussed somehow already when the madbull training shells were released):
At that point, why buy the APS which is essentially a shotgun and not use a RS one with the PAS shells? This is assuming the shells are of the correct dimensions of course

On the same train of thoughts, are the madbull shells compatible at all with that system?

I talked to one of the RS dealer, he was so kind to tell me bring it to the shop and did compare to Remington shotgun, the barrel, shell tube end cap, stock pad, even choke tube. They are not fit for APS. First the barrel, I like the wingmaster 30", so sexy, cost $300, I tried to load the shell in, it's smaller than RS one. So madbull training shell may be too large to fit into APS. Second, shell tube end cap is also too large too, and of cause the choke tube tho. Choke tube tractical one is slightly larger , I think widen the APS barrel could make it fit in nicely, I may try it soon. The butt pad is also too large, APS stock is smaller. But you still could change to Magpul or any RS for M870. Don't know too much about madbull one but my conclusion is, if you like longer lasting internal and RS like airsoft shotgun , the loading and ejecting, forget about the power, recoil and sound, here is the one. You can change the look easily with RS accessories and don't have to wait for airsoft parts.

PS, people keep asking me why not get into RS, it's cheaper? Yes! but need no license and I can just stay home, play with it anytime, without going out to range for half a day or longer, even a bit more expensive for the first time but for sure save the ammo for long run.

Thanks for your response

Tes of course the RS vs Airsoft argument is valid un that case and completely agree with it;

However hat I meant was (if it would have been compatible), you could get a RS shotgun and use the airsoft shells and have basically "the same thing"

When madbull came out with their training shells (that are meant to be used in RS), it was somehow badly received by the ASC Community, and there was that discussion about it. Where I am getting at is, even if the size differs a bit, the APS is just like a real shotty. If the APS was to be accepted in a game, "why not" a RS one with training shells, kind of.

But I don't want to restart that discussion here as it's been talked about already and off topic anyways

Thanks again

Enjoy the video...

http://youtu.be/5zfUWj6eWns

PS, you may not see much different for the loading, by my feel, I can tell it way different between now and when it was new.

Voila, here is the APS original and Remington trigger. the Remington one needs a bit modify tho.

Now it looks like competition trigger set but not function in feather trigger pull! I'm just too lazy to make it lighter.

Before installed
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After installed
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Here you go.... Not bad haa....
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coming project will be pistol grip or magpul stock.....

How do you like this look? Shorten shell tube and add on an endcap, Cool! 4 shells + 1... Can someone tell me what the end cap is?? This endcap can not be fit by RS one, guess..... No reward tho!!

Am I getting crazy?!?!?

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Since waiting for the pistol grip or the stock, if I would have time, I maight want to re-paint the original wood stock and add some graphic on it, I've some patents already, I wish I could............

since APS not respond my message regarding pre-order short barrel and shell tube endcap. The RS one not fit in and I have to look around for the best fit and the best look in the after market, here you go, the golden endcap combination!! Non airsoft item, lol!
and also the loading has NO JAM at all after last tune for another 300 rounds, perfectly! something I really like this shotgun is that I keep on pumping it but no need to worry about the worn out cause it is so durable for internal, that's the other version could not even come close so far......

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N_Force, your contribution to this thread is outstanding. You make the community look damn good, mate. My buddy has a ton of Remington parts lying around for his 870 Tactical so we're going to see what will work with this bad boy. Keep me posted as we are both learning from your sagely work.

Because a real one is a firearm, and the APS one is not. Besides the fact that pointing the real one at someone in a game is illegal.....there are a ton of other legal troubles with that.

thanks for your kind word. It's all about sharing the hobby we like especially this unique bad-boy! most of the internal are done and haven't found anything new, still waiting for the pistol grip coming in next week and now working on add graphic and reprint the stock and forend. Will post it soon.

PS I don't stock RS parts, if you and your friend have the parts that would like to try, show me and let's find out, thank you!

I'm definitely going to game with this as a secondary once I get the parts needed to convert it for a CQB role. I don't know what the huge fuss is about, honestly, people are willing to spend hundreds on upgrades but God forbid spare shells! That's preposterous!

Who doesn't want a shotgun that can not only sweep a corridor with rounds but also adds the element of badassery by ejecting shells? The shell catcher isn't that big of an eyesore...

But people gripe for the sake of griping. :rolleyes:

My goal is simple, first is reliable , second is durable, last is cool look. I don't spend tones of money to just replace, I believe fine tune and modify will make it better. This bad boy has durable internal and solid housing. The only changes for the look are the gold trigger and shell lifter, those cost $80 only. (I still keeping the original parts for back up). Of couse my quality time to work on the fine tune for every single details and points. Now it's reliable, smooth and with no jam at all, durable with no worry to keep pumping it, looking cool too! Only is damaged the shell endcap for long run, just file it smooth and replace the silicon o-ring. I spent another $30 on tools for hot burn to make graphic on stock to make it more like collections look. For the pistol grip, I would like to order short barrel from APS but they never get back to me. Poor customer service! May be they just don't care, lol!.

How's your CAM870? Is it smooth or any shell jam? May be you are luckier than me and it's working good.

Since still waiting for the pistol grip and forend, did some hot burn work on stock and make it more personalize, how so you like it? *Much thanks chaz for all the infos and the help*

Here are some pics but not yet complete done.. enjoy
also thinking to add graphic on bolt too....

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take it easy, release and don't be jealous, here you go, the pistol grip and MOE forend.......
but still waiting for the 12" barrel arrived!

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that will be the last post here, if I have time, I may post a review of this shotgun soon. Thanks for reading it.

Now it's 99.99% smooth operating with no jam at all. All the hard work pay back and I can enjoy this realistic shorty ejecting the shells in 90 degree to 2' away. Awesome!

New Project, will be TM M870, but I have to save some money.....

APS CAM870 Short version with 14" barrel, MOE forend and pistol grip, RS gold trigger and RS shells lifter.

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Beautiful! I would love to breach some cardbord doors and clear some rooms with that!

Anyone try to put real steel's breech bolt and forend Tube assembly?

APS, may not suitable for outdoor game since the engage range is within 50' that I feel like, the bb's spread out nice since no inner barrel and hop up, absolute good for cqb(may load 10-12 6mm or 4 8mm combinations ), collection and practical shooting, it's fun and realistic!

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I had the chance to 'play around' with the shotguns. Brought a big smile to my face.

God damnit n_force your contribution is beyond awesome. You should make a YouTube channel :).

I want a TM 870 because of you now. If I get one I know who to find in the GTA!

i just got it and put the magpul on it
 

this is my baby i love it well built
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Nice! how's the loading? Any shells jam sometimes?

A quick add on, a side saddle!

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Show off time....

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What pins did you use for the side saddle? Heard that RS pins is a little bit thicker. Great build btw:)

need to modify two machine screws as long as fit in and long enough. I ordered the ApS one but not fit. You better to find out the saddle is the same length between two support screws, mostly you have to thread two new holes to fit unless it is designed for aps! That's what I had it done.

Besides, RS pins have one thin in front and one thick at the end. The ApS optional saddle screws is designed for the RS top rail or saddle use I believe?

Finally, the bad thing happened. Broken firing pin,need looking for help from APS now.... hope they would do something for me since it is only 3 months.

Broken firing pin
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broken piece front
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broken piece back
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I'm surprised it wasn't the pump arms or the loading flap. Those are notorious for breaking in shell ejecting shotguns.

The loading arm and trap are notorious for breaking on Real Steel shotguns, too. A good example is my friend who owned a Remington 870 Tactical... ;)

Finally get in touch with apsram and they will send me a new generation bolt. Need to pay a bit for it. And this one they said it would work better than the old one, and also will be released for sale for upgrade option soon.

Here is my opinion(warning). If you still have the old shells that the back of the end cap has a narrower firing pin insert space. Replace them with the new end cap that has a wider space. The old one may cause the firing pin broken. Will show pics soon.

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new bolt from APS, they said it will be released for upgrade soon.

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This new bolt is working better than the first gen. It ejects the shells 2' away in 90 degree, nice! Now I need to see if it will be broken easy again?

Awesome work on this N_Force! Do you know if a G&P/Maruzen handguard would fit on it? I'm looking to replace the wood stocks and handguard for a more tactical style.

I've just received the g&p front handgrip with light for Marui870 breacher see if it can be modified to fit in. Since I'm still waiting for the shotty, l may try it on the Aps see if that's okay. If I remember, it should work as I saw someone posted pic while ago somewhere. Let's see again. Give me some time as I'm working on the other project. ;)

I would also love to hear if the g&p light hand grip fits the cam870 :)

Marui M870 forend tube is bigger than the other brands around 4mm and also a bit shorter (that's the Marui unique design), as of I compared the g&p tactical LED forearms one. That means if you want to install this g&p one on APS cam870, you may have to shim and lengthen(inside tube,not overall length) to fit properly. I'll take a deep look on it when I have time to disassembled the m870 or after I received the breacher. If you check the diagrams I posted for Marui shotgun, both of the forend tube and latches are even different design in length tho..

Top is G&P tractical forend with LED light (for Marui M870)
Bottom is Magpul MOE forend (fit APS CAM870)

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So the g&p forend is a no go on a CAM870?

I've never study the g&p shotgun and front grip, this g&p with led light is for Marui m870 and I want to try it on Marui breacher. It needs to be modified to fit into ApS Cam870 as I had a quick try, it sits in but loose. You may have to shim and lengthen(inside tube,not overall length) to fit properly.

Other g&p front grip, I've never had, but if they are the same design like RS, should work with APS but may not for Marui.

does any one have a piece of g&p front grip? Please post pictures with measurement for the action tube, that would be helpful, thanks


[quote=Dj_komodo;1918031]So the g&p forend is a no go on a CAM870?[/

I received my G&P M870 foregrip. The inside diameter of the foregrip is a little bit smaller than one inch and the APS forend tube is 1 inch and a 1/16 thick so it does not fit. The G&P foregrip is also 1/2 inch longer than the APS one. Overall, it requires alot of modification...

Here's my 870
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Now I need to find a 20oz CO2 paintball canister to see if it can be treaded to the loading tool, the 12g are too inconsistent!

Looks good!

20oz c02 should fit. Confirmed on Arnies!

Just can't catch up....

http://airsoft.tiger111hk.com/images...AM870AOW-1.jpg

http://airsoft.tiger111hk.com/images...AM870AOW-9.jpg

How do you like them? test fire video link:
http://youtu.be/jfI5wXu3Kjw

http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9f8c4dd7.jpg

Nice, he's gonna be happy when he get that back lol.

Hell... even I'm tempted to get the Serbu Super Shorty haha, hopefully APS releases more awesome designs, a KSG or M26 would be a welcomed addition lol

Btw, thanks for the awesome pics N_Force, bolt pics just gave me an another idea for a project I'm working on.

Alright, Parts from EVIKE came in, installed this ASAP!

- 4+1 Spring
- End cap (Swivel removed in photo)
- 14" Outer Barrel

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...70-laundry.png

For those who care.. finish on 14" and 16" (Stock) is different.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...on%20-%201.png

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...on%20-%202.png

LIKE

Hey BR, is the shell loading smooth on the 14" barrel? Any wobble between barrel and receiver?

Comparison images.

SF vs Magnum,

Trades are different on the SF + Magnum, the SF has the Generation 2 bolt, where the Magnum has the generation 1 bolt.

Not a fan of the SF grip, doesn't feel all that nice, definitely needs a RS one on there. The fore-grip needs a changing out too!

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...re%20-%202.png

SF Police with 16" outer-barrel.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...0/APS%20SF.png

Notice bolts are different.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...ompare%201.png

Holy piece of crap. The replacement reinforce pushing pin is way off spec. Lots of mod and hard to align for Gen one bolt. Not even sure if that works tho? But for sure if you're still using the older version of shells that have the narrow space end cap, it possible would break this pushing pin again. Can't believe APS makes this piece of garbage that doesn't fit it's own product?? Or I may not good enough to get it done??

You mean there is a new version of the shell ? New bolt I knew it but shells...

New End Cap version the comes with the latest shells

http://www.aps-concept.com/index.php...product_id=480

ohhh ok !

Do you know which barrel lenght matches with the APS +1 extension ?

PS : thx you for your help about the APS maintenance ;)

IMO, any one will fit. It depends on how do you like the way it looks. On RS shotgun, some of them have longer shell tube than the barrel. At first I didn't like it. Since I have the 16" original barrel, then I shorten the shells tube. Now I have the +1 on it, looks not bad tho. Tried it with 14" barrel, also looks good. But if you like to have a balance look, the new 16" with thread is the one after you add the flash hilder(choke tube) in front of barrel.
three of the looks: long barrel with shot shells tube, both are same length, or short barrel with long shell tube. Pick whatever you like, simple!
If I could afford it, I would have all three of the size from 16", 14" and the new AOW all versions collected. I'm now waiting for the AOW arrive new year January. If you even noticed my post in Marui M870, I have both versions already, the full size M870 and Breacher.

APS-concept replied me that this pushing pin is designed for generation 2 bolt but never mention on the item description. What a service support?? Even they said it needed a bit modify to make it works, told me to check with local dealer to find out how. Do you think I could get someone in Toronto to help me out. Hah! Why don't they just guide to diy it?? Poor customer service.

Lol, that is quite sad. I doubt any local dealers would know anything about that.

Good thing they replied, and atleast we know now!