My Finalized Base Loadout (KA P90 & Elite Force 1911 TAC)
 

After doing a lot of research, deciding what I wanted in a gun, my price range, etc I finally came up with this finalized loadout for my base kit. Being much more experienced than I, I was hoping you could provide some final feedback before I start dropping the dough.

In the four-man fireteam I'm part of, we sat down and decided that, as a unit, we should run the same base platform as our main arm so that we can interchange equipment (notably, lending mags mid-firefight) if necessary. We wanted something compact and mobile, for CQB, while still wanting the accuracy and range of a rifle for outdoor gaming. We eventually agreed on the P90.

Worse decision ever. Good luck having a nice and compatible loadout for the outdoors for your P90 mags. 95% of the people will probably agree that the P90 is the worse gun to be mixed indoors and outdoors. Not to mention the ergonomy; if you have big hands you're fucked, the grip itself is shit, the maintenance on one is a nightmare, mags are problemsome, ect ect.

I think you should read more on the forums about what guns to get as a beginner.

Just say no to a P90... If you want interchangeability get a Stanag rig. It doesn't have to be M4's how about Some Scar-l's? Tavors, L-86's, Famas's they all take the same mags and you can all still be gucci and have your own unique set up if want.

not too sure on the FAMAS...

FAMAS don't take m4 mags.


P90 is good for indoors but not especially known for outdoors sure its a bull pup but there are a lot more effective platforms out there,
Onto the side arm, tacforce is shit, do not bother with it get the law m11 instead.

There's a reason AR-15 carbines have been the hotness for the last few years. Magazine commonality is high, accessories and parts are extremely varied and due to the modular construction of the rifle it can be drastically altered to fit the user. The P90 fills none of these.

Rethink your choice, please. Ditch the sidearm if it means you get a better primary- Every time I've had to pull my sidearm, it's been accompanied with terrified wishes that my primary was in my hands instead.

They do if you mod the mags, basically you just need to cut at a standard STANAG mag and get it to fit into the FAMAS.

http://www.airsoftforum.com/board/Fa...n-t183568.html

If you can get shop time and can do it clean great if not then it'll look okay but at least it works.

It's not like I haven't held a P90 in my own hands. My buddy has a KA P90 and let me dick around with it; I absolutely love it.

As far as the range goes, I'll put in an extended inner barrel and cover it up with a suppressor like another guy I've seen do it.

For customization, the only thing I want on it is a red dot sight, and to be able to quick swap the springs.

I know about the mag issues; however to my understanding it's mostly the highcaps that have most of the issues? Or do the midcaps have feeding issues too? (both of my buddies who have P90's haven't had any mag issues other than a few dry shots every time a new mag is inserted)

The ergonomics are fine; in fact, at first I wasn't sold on it until I held one in my own hands. I instantly fell in love with it.

Other than that, I don't quite understand what you're telling me, other than you just don't like 'em. Elaborate?

As far as my secondary weapon, I wasn't dead-set on the Elite Force 1911 in particular, it just looked like a nice fit. My other choice is a KWC 1911 (CO2), should I go for that instead? Or should I just go for a propane/GG 1911?

I don't mean to sound argumentative guys, I'm just trying to understand your reasonings.

(Also, to the mod who cleaned up the thread, thank you)

You're welcome.

I know a guy who has run a p90 for the last 6 years outdoors. It's essentially a trimmed down LMG, runs like a beast. Dude mows down tons of guys, and carries 10 mags on him in drop leg and crossdraw holsters. 500 rounds at realcap, one mag = 1 or more kills. They shoot straight, are reliable, accurate and are sturdy.

Personally, I can't stand 'em. I don't like the way they feel, I can't really shoulder them or aim them especially well. But to those who like 'em, they LOVE 'em. Are you one of that crowd? While cross-mag compatibility is awesome, it's not end-all be-all.

1911 you can't go wrong with, ergonomically. Points naturally, and if it's a decent gun, will hit what you point it at.

In the end, it's up to you. P90 has a long list of pros, but that's if you enjoy the way it feels in your hands. The cons are obvious, and already listed. Try one out if you can, see if it'll fit you. Then it's a matter of finding ways to store the mags, which can take some doing, though the fact that they are more popular these days helps.

BTW No one's mentioned it yet but if you can't find P90 specific mags pouches UMP pouches will work in a pinch. As far as the kit goes, I don't really care for P90's but like people say "ride your own ride".

I'd also say to shy away from Elite Force unless you're using them more as show pieces than wanting to use them a lot. Personally I rarely use my sidearm and it's used more as a showpiece than anything. That said my play style may be totally different from other people's and you may find yourself using your pistol a lot more than I do. Maybe look at getting a KJW 1911 if you can afford it.

Right now I'm also looking at the KJW and KWC CO2 1911's as well.

OP: You list an MP5 in your sig line. What's wrong with those? Solid guns, mags fit into a variety of pouches, easily setup for in/out door play...mags are cheaper, easier to locate, parts/accessories common. That to me would be a more sensible choice than a p90.

Definitely look into KJW 1911 Hi-capa (who doesn't want more capacity?) CO2 pistols. Nice weight, great kick, and perfect for a secondary.

The MP5 was on for dirt cheap on TA's website, so I bought it knowingly as a beginner gun for my first forays into airsofting. Now that i'm a little more experienced, I'm looking for my final platform, something a little more solid and robust.

'Final Platforms' don't exist, you will never stop buying new things :P

p90 don't need no extended barrel to outrange longer barreled aegs.

There's lots of stuff you can do to it and keep the stock 247mm barrel length and still hit at 80m.

I ran a TM P90 for a season, one of the straightest shooting AEGs I'd owned, and the ROF was on the silly side of awesome. I don't regret selling it. Mags are a pain to carry, reloading is a breeze, but storing spent mags required a finesse that had to be learned really slow to get it right. It is the best SMG/LMG ever. Real cap at 60ish rounds was nuts.

I also had to build a custom twist lock kydex insert for M4 pouches to carry 8 magazines in an 8 magazine M4 rig. It worked well but the mags ended up hitting me in the face if I was supine.

http://uncrate.com/p/2009/02/super-soaker-50.jpg

I kid, I kid. :p




.. now for some useful feedback. Skip the pistol and use that money to improve your P90. KWC/Elite Force junk should be avoided. Save your bones for TM based variants. You'll thank me later.

fair enough; but to my understanding, I thought Tokyo Marui stuff was hard as tits to import?

And the sidearm will come later, regardless of which P90 I get; I just want to hammer out the details of which model. It's looking like I might go the WE route then.

WE pistols I find are still very hit or miss. Their Glock frames are awesome (Go HK3!) but finishes and compatibility leave much to be desired.

Get age verified and you'll find a plethora of 1911 and hicapas from TM on the classifieds here. WE is improving, but their name has been plagued by their tinted HiCapas/1911 from years ago. Their Glocks are decent though.

I ran a P90 for quite some time. It was a pain to carry enough mags.

https://4kmbnq.bay.livefilestore.com...WEB.jpg?psid=1

this is what my kit looked like. It was more urban warfare oriented. I could only carry 4 mags on my main kit, and maybe 2 extra on a drop leg. Mag changes where a pain. especially those on the drop leg.

The P90 itself work verry well. Even at -40 in winter. But the problem is it's mags. They are too long!

I get 6 mags on my vest... if I wanted to I could do another 4 on a leg.
http://dreamers-ink.ca/airsoft/night...035506c8_o.jpg

but then again.. I'm a bigger dude... but the condor molle vest can physically mount 3 on each side.

if you want to talk how to manage them... then this is what I do:

6 mags across chest all fully loaded... need to change out in a fire fight?

mag out of the gun, into the dump pouch.

mag closest to loading hand (left) out of the pouch, into the gun.

a lull in the action or walk to respawn, empty comes out of the dump pouch, into pouch farthest from loading arm, the full mag then gets pushed towards the loading arm.

It's a pain in the ass if you are on your stomach or on your back. Though on your back is a lot more manageable.

I found that more than 4 made it too thick. Under my mags, I have kevlar and a lvl4 plate... If you still want to be able to go prone or fit in a small dorway... I would not go with more. Double stack pouchs where no-no.

proportionally speaking, 6 mags in realcap just shy of 60 rounds each is a pretty good load, it's more than 10 m4 mags...
midcapping... it starts to even out if they can only hold 120-150.. most m4 midcaps these days can hold 120.

So, I picked up my King Arms P90. Absolutely love it.

However, there's a sticker on the box that says it's been 'modified to shoot between 370 to 450 fps.' Is this normal? I haven't had an opportunity to chrono it yet (not until sunday). Worst-case scenario I swap out the spring for an M120.

I'm still undecided on a pistol though. Currently I'm leaning towards the KJW 1911; I like the fact that it has both CO2 and GG/Propane mags available for it. (CO2 for outdoors, GG/Propane for CQB)

Tokyo Marui is out of the question--getting age verified in my area is nothing short of a pain in the ass (so I can't view the sales forums), and none of the retailers I know of carry TM stuff.

KJW is 99% compatible with TM so I guess why not (Note that the KJW magwells have cutouts for CO2 mags with CO2 cartridges in them so you can use a TM mag in a KJW but not a KJW CO2 mag in a TM).

As for the P90, if you can just go to a PB shop or something to test the FPS, hopefully it's under but if not an M110 or M120 will do the trick. In the heyday like 2 years ago IIRC they would usually shoot above like 430 FPS but I don't know how things are now seeing as how I haven't purchased a new gun in like 4 years....

Have you at least tried looking around for a verifier in your area? Who did you try contacting? I can name at least one verifier that you frequent (a large retailer in Toronto) - judging from your posts on Facebook.

It's not as much work as you think, and besides - it'll be worth your while to do so.

I was in Oshawa for a WW2 event not too long ago, unfortunately it's maybe only going to happen yearly. Otherwise, we could've worked something out.

Other then that, make a trip to Toronto, stop by one of the few stores there that do.

It is pretty worth while.

Swaping a pring in a P90 gearbox is very easy. The gearbox come out with only one or two screws at the back. Then opening it is very easy, compared to a Gen2 gearbox.

We upgraded my TM P90tr spring on the porch railing of my friend's house. It took 5 minutes. (house is surrounded by deep forest, no neigbors, just so people know.)

I did a MP5K PDW, Get a silencer to hide a longer barrel, and there's a mod out there to fix a bigger battery into the PDW stalk so you can upgrade the sping/bushings a little. Great little thing for indoor and outdoors.

http://mob160.photobucket.com/albums...thor/mp5k1.jpg
http://mob160.photobucket.com/albums...thor/mp5k2.jpg
http://mob160.photobucket.com/albums...thor/mp5k3.jpg