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ARC-74 January 21st, 2012 19:47

Making a Glock trigger safety for a KJW
 
The newer KJW Glock's lack of a trigger safety finally got to me.
I took a piece of scrap ABS plastic used my dremel and needle files to get the shape more or less right. The pin to hold it in place is already on the trigger(one less thing to worry about). I then drilled a small hole iinside the trigger and inserted a cut down Bic lighter flint spring so the safety returns to "safe" after releasing the trigger.
http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/...psdb5172a5.jpg
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http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/...pse01df94b.jpg
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Adamlxlx January 21st, 2012 19:53

Nice man, I have wanted to do the same for a while. This makes me want to do it even more.

anthon January 21st, 2012 20:16

I have always been curious about these. What do they actually do? Seriously....

If the gun is going to go off the trigger is the last place I want the safety. Really its not even really a safety beucase if anything snaggs the trigger, its going off.....

Donster January 21st, 2012 20:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by anthon (Post 1593006)
I have always been curious about these. What do they actually do? Seriously....

If the gun is going to go off the trigger is the last place I want the safety. Really its not even really a safety beucase if anything snaggs the trigger, its going off.....

not when there is a 5-12lbs trigger pull depending on what type of trigger you get. The fact is, unless a branch somehow snags the trigger while its falling from an impossible height, and said branch catches the middle trigger safety just right and maintains constant pressure and then manages to have enough momentum to apply said aforementioned trigger weight, the gun (the RS version anyway) is NOT going off...

anthon January 21st, 2012 21:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donster (Post 1593010)
not when there is a 5-12lbs trigger pull depending on what type of trigger you get. The fact is, unless a branch somehow snags the trigger while its falling from an impossible height, and said branch catches the middle trigger safety just right and maintains constant pressure and then manages to have enough momentum to apply said aforementioned trigger weight, the gun (the RS version anyway) is NOT going off...

So why would you need a trigger safety then?

m102404 January 21st, 2012 21:39

legal liability

Amos January 21st, 2012 22:24

If the center of the trigger isn't pushed down (something snags the side or something like that) the trigger will not depress.

If you're using the gun like a gun, then when you pull the trigger, you disengage the safety.

StrikeFreedom January 21st, 2012 22:25

I've read that this trigger "safety" was originally meant for an aesthetic reason: indicating that the hammer is cocked.

anthon January 21st, 2012 22:27

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Originally Posted by StrikeFreedom (Post 1593054)
I've read that this trigger "safety" was originally meant for an aesthetic reason: indicating that the hammer is cocked.

Thats about all it does....

Danke January 21st, 2012 23:28

The Euros have put out a bunch of odd pistols with odd controls to suit certain circumstances or requirements. Back in the late 70s all the police forces on the continent were ditching their WW II sidearms for new wonder nines. The US police along with Euro armed forces also on the hunt.

Some hung their hat on DA/SA pistols with a decocker. Others didn't like that inital heavy pull you get with a DA and weren't worried about giving a dud round in the chamber a second heavier tap. On the real deal that trigger within a trigger does much more than just stop movement.

Spawn28 January 22nd, 2012 00:16

To the OP

Well regardless of what it does or doesnt do in real life, Good job man looks good and its functional so i say mission accomplished. I too would like to do this to my buddies Glock so now that i know it can be done it shall be done. So thanks for takin the time to post and take pics.

Its guys that make the attempt that get the results.

ARC-74 January 22nd, 2012 00:51

Thanks!
I know there are lots of KJW's missing safeties, happy to share my take on it.
It took quite a bit of test fitting/ re-shaping, but it is nice to have it on there.
The Bic spring came to mind as I lit my first smoke this morning:D

Styrak January 22nd, 2012 00:53

Is it actually functional? Acts as a safety?

ARC-74 January 22nd, 2012 00:58

Yes it does work.
If I try pulling the trigger without pressing the safety, the small tab prevents any movement.

evo85210 January 23rd, 2012 23:48

how'd you remove the trigger and the pin? the pin seems to be glued in or something, i can't get it out.

jordan7831 January 23rd, 2012 23:52

Great post, I love it when people post sensible airsoft mods!

ARC-74 January 24th, 2012 00:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by evo85210 (Post 1594065)
how'd you remove the trigger and the pin? the pin seems to be glued in or something, i can't get it out.

I took out the internals, except for the magazine catch.
http://airsoftcanada.com/showthread....hlight=kjw+g23
That thread has a pretty good description of disassembly.

As for the pin, it will need to be tapped out.
One side of the pin has little ridges to grip the inside of the hole. I can't remember which side, but if it doesn't budge after a few taps, try from the opposite side.

evo85210 January 24th, 2012 00:14

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Originally Posted by ARC-74 (Post 1594078)
I took out the internals, except for the magazine catch.
http://airsoftcanada.com/showthread....hlight=kjw+g23
That thread has a pretty good description of disassembly.

As for the pin, it will need to be tapped out.
One side of the pin has little ridges to grip the inside of the hole. I can't remember which side, but if it doesn't budge after a few taps, try from the opposite side.

okay, thanks, will give a try.
it's pretty much trial and error right? since that's really no standard shape for the safety.

ARC-74 January 24th, 2012 00:36

Trial and error for the dimensions.
I discovered that I'd filed off a little bit too much from the front.
I've since added a little bit of plastic so that when the safety releases, it doesn't spring too far forward.
http://airsoftcanada.com/picture.php...pictureid=3599

oxproskillzxo January 24th, 2012 01:21

Where exactly did you get abs plastic? @@
Only place I can think of is old airsofts....

ARC-74 January 24th, 2012 08:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by oxproskillzxo (Post 1594121)
Where exactly did you get abs plastic? @@
Only place I can think of is old airsofts....

It was left over plastic from a previous airsoft project/modification.

Styrak January 24th, 2012 10:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by ARC-74 (Post 1593103)
Yes it does work.
If I try pulling the trigger without pressing the safety, the small tab prevents any movement.

Very cool, good job.

oxproskillzxo January 24th, 2012 14:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by ARC-74 (Post 1594176)
It was left over plastic from a previous airsoft project/modification.

I see, any idea where I can buy abs plastic?
I'm new to airsoft, so I don't really know anything

ARC-74 January 24th, 2012 16:10

ABS - Part of a vacuum that isn't needed, broken console controller ....
Only limit is your imagination !
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/picture...pictureid=3602

I hope that was the broken controller:confused:

Borealis January 24th, 2012 16:46

Here in Quebec, must be the same in all provinces, you can find sheets of plastics in any big hardware store. It's expensive but it's available. Or go to a Train and R/C shop, they sell smaller sheets of ABS plastic for vehicle modifications or model terrain creation.

oxproskillzxo January 25th, 2012 15:59

acrylic should work fine too right?

ARC-74 January 25th, 2012 20:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by oxproskillzxo (Post 1595009)
acrylic should work fine too right?

Personally,I would advise against using it.
It's difficult to work with and could chip or crack easily.
Just my two cents......

evo85210 January 28th, 2012 19:51

okay, so i've cut out a few paper templates and found the right design, but how would the safety stay disengaged? wouldn't the spring keep it in engaged?

ARC-74 January 29th, 2012 00:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by evo85210 (Post 1596703)
okay, so i've cut out a few paper templates and found the right design, but how would the safety stay disengaged? wouldn't the spring keep it in engaged?

It only disengages during a pull of the trigger.


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