Originally Posted by Ridiculous132 (Post 595706)

I find that when you snipe, you often get people ignore the hits, either because they just don't realize they've been hit (my VSR-10 is not too powerful and I tend to shoot from quite far), or because they're cheaters. But most of the time people just don't realize. I'm not mad at them, but the next shot will be to a more exposed place. Not bare skin, just less kitted spot, like the leg. If I'm really far or the guy is really thick, I go for the goggles, and I've almost never hit people in the face, and even then it doesn't hurt too much because the BB has lost alot of it's velocity once there. Ok Aper might disagree on this one, I got him pretty bad once he he.

I find the goggle shot to be quite satisfying and very effective :D

Originally Posted by jerryliang2k (Post 595721)

This whole discussion reminds me of the advanced russian body armor at Boarder Wars ;). Having said that, I'd say there's a limit to how far one can adopt this mindset.

Originally Posted by macguyver (Post 80641)

I have noticed myself that biggest issue for on-field and on-forum whining is the old "not calling their hits" crap. I'll clue those in who are new, and maybe remind some of the more seasoned players, it's the oldest story in airsoft.

Many veteran players become complacent, and this is problem #1. They think that because they've owned the gun for XXXX years, that they know how it shoots, they know the trajectory of every BB, they know it's exact range, and they know exactly when to pull the trigger. So, if they shoot at you and you didn't call hit, well, you a cheatin' SOB.

I'm here to tell you that this just isn't the case. Nobody has that refined level of depth perception, nor can they even see their BB fly most of the time. No gun is that consistant (despite claims to the contrary), and nobody has that good of aim and nerves of steel to pull off the perfect shot all the time.

Now, problem #2 is newer players. Sometimes, they don't always understand the rules, which is fine, nobody's perfect. It's the job of the seasoned players to mentor the junior ones, at least a little bit, and help them along. Yelling or whining does not accomplish this. Sure, frustration can get the best of you sometimes, hell, it happens to me all the time. But who looks like an ass when a "situation" arises, the new guy or the old guy?

Problem #3 is gear. Guys aren't wearing t-shirts and SDS racks anymore. Now, guys are using plate carriers and full BDUs, and guns are getting better and engagement distances are longer. So, when BBs hit, they have less kinetic energy to impact the well-armoured player. So, who's at fault? The guy getting hit can't always tell, and the guy shooting should wait until the opponent is closer to ensure a clean hit. Don't bitch if he can't feel your shots. Hit him again.

I have a personal opinion on hits that seems to solve all these issues. Shoot the guy until you hear "HIT". But not empty a C-mag, several singles or a solid 5 round burst is sufficient.

Play no mercy rules whatsoever, then there is no issue. All shots are fair game, from head to toe, again there's no issues. If your head is all you present, expect it to get shot. And airsoft guns are not that accurate that you can aim away from a headshot at 200 feet and be guaranteed to avoid them.

Realize that you are not a perfect player, and nor is the other guy playing with you or against you, and be prepared to give the benefit of the doubt.

Do these things, there won't be any issues in airsoft, and all will have fun.

Originally Posted by Brian McIlmoyle (Post 595848)

I can only do this by shooting until I get a clear indication that the hit was good.

Originally Posted by Brian McIlmoyle (Post 595848)

I know that all of the people I play with or against are honorable, none of them are cheaters..

Originally Posted by Scarecrow (Post 595925)

soft tissue + .28's = pain. Its a solution thats worked well for me.

Other than that, well said Brian. In a one-on-one that is a good philosophy to adopt. If you're a doormat or perhaps a sub.


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Unfortunately there are instances where you have two or more teams going at it and you have one group exercising that philosophy and the other doesn't and doesn't call hits, and the game collapses because strategic and tactical objectives are lost to playing zen footsy with a bulletproof asshole. And whats worse than one bulletproof asshole is a team of bulletproof assholes. I've seen many strategies to deal with it, but my favorite is to just let Claymore loose on them. Its very satisfying watching a 250lb Scotsman drop his AK, and walk through a hail of fire and grab some guy by the scruff of the neck in order to gain his attention for some one on one counselling. It usually solves the problem fairly quickly. I believe making examples of cheaters and publically HUMILIATING THEM is a good place to start, rather than to condone their behaviour by passively tolerating it. I've said it many times before and I will say it here. TOLERATION IS A FORM OF CONSENT!

This does not mean I presume that if I shoot in someone's direction I will automatically hit them. But after 5 years of this game, when I have to unload a highcap on someone and they still don't call out, I won't tolerate that and I promise to be loud, rude, obnoxious and will do my best to spoil that person's day, because he's spoiling mine. Conservatively speaking, I think I spend between BBs, batteries, gas, game fee, etc, somewhere near the $100 per game mark (amortize out your equipment costs too) and when some asshole deprives me of my pastime because he decides to turn on GOD MODE, I believe that person is spending MY money on something I did not pay for. He paid to be part of a simulation that we all agreed to, and then he chooses to break that simulation and ruin my enjoyment - I didn't sign up for that. That person has no place at a milsim airsoft event.
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My 0.02 cents

Originally Posted by Scarecrow (Post 595931)