"Yeah it is"
"No it is not"
"Yeah it is"
"No it isn't"
"Yes"
"No"
...

C'mon Recon, give us some proofs! If you say that the other one is wrong, please bring better arguments than "What you say is bullcrap". Articles like CND_Stalker brought us are much more enlightening than unfounded sayings (by unfounded I mean that we don't know why you say that).

Kymoz

They do look off

I think the confusion about Frontenac lies in the fact that ORIGINALLY (i.e., back when they WERE a licensed contractor) they were allowed to sell CADPAT clothing to the public on the basis of two provisoes:
1. the clothing could not be identical to issue combats
2. they were allowed to only use material from ROLLS that had been rejected by DND

Point 2 is the sticky one: people have interpreted this in many ways - but from my memory of an excellent sources info - the DND accepts or rejects entire rolls of the cloth as a "lump sum" item. These could be rejected for many reasons; such as there was a glitch in one portion of it or the colours were slightly off on that particular roll, etc. It wasn't always becuase the "quality was crap" (define what you mean by that anyways). So, Frontenac were allowed to use these "seconds" (as they're called in the industry) to manufacture stuff for the civilian market and thus avoid incurring big financial losses. That is why a lot of people have sets where the colours are slightly different between the shirt and the trousers for example.

Incidentally - just about ALL new, unissued "surplus" has been made from factory seconds in this way.

Bottom line is - the man summed it up brilliantly with his long post. If you want genuine, issue gear you gotta be willing to purchase stolen goods. If you want commerical gear, now you know who to get it from and what the quality will be like. If you want to get top-notch, genuine issue gear LEGALLY - then its simple.... ENLIST. :wink:

Just one final question - what about SEALS Action Gear? Are you saying their stuff is "shite" as well?

SEALS Action Gear clothing is Frontenac.

Here's a question to toss out there as part of the topic: Explain the Arid Cadpat! Hehe, my shirt and my pants are both totally different material/colour even though they were bought within a month of each other.

Please don't use "top-notch" and "issue gear" in the same sentence :p it just doesn't go together.

Oh, right. I meant their smocks though.

Gotcha. I think the anorak might be Parklands, as the only ones I've seen were Parklands. Speaking of which, Army_Issue told me a couple months ago tht Parklands Canada got a Cease & Desist order from DND for their cadpat crap clothing.

/sarcasm

What? Issue stuff not good? Say it isn't so! We don't need more then four mags anyways to fight a war!

/end sarcasm

Remember: Issue gear is made by the lowest bidder.

Big deal. It still get's the job done. and btw, you get issued 15mags. Doesn't mean you have 4 mags to fight a war. Remember +one in the rifle. so thats 5, not 4;) as your main load out. the rest are either in C9 pouch or small pack.

Edit* Not trying to be an asshole or anything. I'm not serious, just dislike it when civi's knock our issue stuff. Yes we all know its not the best. but it works. :-)

Sorry, by Civi's you must mean people who've never been in the military at all, correct? I'd take my 84 pattern webbing over that effin TV any day.

Once upon a time kit was designed to fight fucking wars by people who fought them, instead of by civilian contractors who've never held a fucking rifle or ate an arty sim.

The new TV is GARBAGE.

....well at least I can keep knocking my issue stuff. :D

IIRC Frontenac made/still makes an Anoranak that CP was selling for a while, be careful of what you buy.

Good info Goldman. At least I couldn't be bothered buying an anorak. ;)

Hey, to each their own eh. Yeah the tacvest is junk. But webbing is fucking ghey.
The new TV's are designed okay, weight is nicely displaced. It's not molle cause Canada soldiers all have to look the same. Just should have been double C7 mag pouches, leaves room for improvement in the near future...<rolls eyes>

SEALS don't sell those qwear anoraks - they sell a special smock they designed themselves:
http://sealsactiongear.com/catalog/s...l/SE1006TW.jpg

and the blurb on their website says:
The 4.1 version of the smock is made using authentic Canadian Forces 65/35 NYCO Twill CADPAT TW (much more durable than the standard Combat Cloth used for combat uniforms), which is treated with Quarpel for excellent wind and water resistance. It is also specifically designed with Canadian Forces' personnel in mind, and includes a rank epaulet on the front, velcro brassard keeper/flag patch on the left shoulder, and velcro strip for the name tag above the right chest pocket.