Everyone who has a working gun already is prepared.

im getting a TM M14, but does anyone know if Shootsoft would import TM and CA style guns? Or no?

Doubtful, typically if their only stock is chinasoft, it's for a good reason.

edit-complete news to me thanks TC.

Aw man this is sad to hear since Mark was so great to deal with. Gotta do what you gotta do though. All the best to him & family. Our gov't sucks balls.

I see that it will lead less and less people being interested into this sport and eventulally only a hand full of people will be into the sport, I already know some people that has abandon this sport because of strick importations... Now this can lead to inflated prices or can turn 180 degree and no one will want to purchase any AEG's which results cheaper prices because people would want to get rid off...

Honestly, I dont believe there is anything to be worried about, just like my kidney stone, this shall pass.

Its a shame to lose a retailer, but we still have the classifieds here on ASC. In time Im sure another will rise to the task of importing, already now I see there some that are already doing so. I personally do not believe that our hobby/sport is at any risk.

This is in line with the meeting I had with the RCMP and Customs. Their unofficial mandate is not to outlaw airsoft, just make it difficult for people to get. I'm sure their thinking being, by limiting retailers and peoples access to airsoft, the number of kids showing up at school with their new cool gat should decrease.

Doesn't make sense in my mind. How come you can still buy a replica pellet gun at Can Tire?

Blackhawk makes all their own gear. But do they have the best pricing around? No, you go to any site where Blackhawk is sold and it's cheaper. The whole point of selling your product to other retailers is to move individual (and thus stressful) business AWAY, and have more bulk (and thus non-stressful) business. Nobody wants to deal with thousands of orders a day.

Yeah was thinking about that today. Can someone explain?

Are you talking about the clear ones?

No... Co2 pellet gun like thoses:

http://www.crosman.com/site/catalog/crosman/pistol

Hyprocracy at best, outdated views at worst. Seriously, that's it. The definition of replica firearm doesn't distinguish between metal cones or plastic BBs.

im glad that T7 isn't worried. i like to think that he is correct in his hypothesis. that being said, i think this would be the perfect time for a new importer to arise to the challange because they will then be the ONLY importer in Canada.

ah this is sad, i must get the funds i guess to get a gbb befour march then form mark. as for ken has any body noticed that he said he be back on the 14th with a restock and his site has not changed shined the 31st when he left so i dont know no bodys freaked over that as many outher vets have said people go down and new people step up theirs tones of places opening up im shure ppl like hang will get metal bodys in and that relly all you need do the reacherch to make your own and dam your golden. as for airsoft i just got in theirs no way this sport would end with a retailer getting out and porblay prices on metal bodys would go up for a bit but they settel back down once an importer got back on the sceen.

There are importers....some on this forum and some like Shootsoft.

Thanks for your confidence Donster, we shouldnt worry, because even if we do,there isnt really much, we as individuals can do. The best we can do is just be hopeful that this will pass, like some have stated, this is not the first time that we have lost a retailer. We've lost a tree branch, but that doesnt mean that the tree dies. Essentially all we can do now is be paitent. We still have access to accesories and parts and gear (through many retailers through out the world and in country), what else can we do? We can move on and see what else is further down the road.

Exactly Styrak, there are still MANY new guns getting into Canada. There are MANY 'importers' as well, not all bringing in huge numbers but still getting them in.

Airsoft dies when we can't play, not when we can't get the latest and greatest fresh off the assembly lines in Asia. The former is what makes us a sport and community, the latter is what makes us a hobby.

Sounds like it came from a commerical for nike... :P Me likes!

Agreed. I have a Walther PPK/S, Walther CP99 Compact, and Beretta PX4 Storm CO2 pellet / BB guns. Anyone that says those things aren't replicas are smoking rope. They're even GBB guns, adding to the realism. With the PPK, you can even mod it to fire full-auto, emptying the 15-round mag in about 3/4 of a second. Yet, anyone can buy one of these guns (along with shitloads of other models that are more-or-less replicas of real guns too...

And in the end, you can do a lot of damage to someone with these guns. My Px4 fires pellets at 380 fps. That's more than enough to seriously injure someone. Yet, my KJW Beretta M9 fires plastic BBs at just over 300 fps, poses no threat, and is technically illegal. Go figure...

I've had quite a few guns new and used and only ever bought one from Mark. I'm not worried at all. As someone put it; when there's a will there's a way.

Mark was selling to the masses; it was publically available to anyone. If you look closer, you'll see other retailers. Mostly on the classifieds.

To the new guys; this will filter out the people that are not serious.

This could be a very good thing, though! Weed out the stupid kids we don't want around *cough mr hitman cough*

I doubt it. If you refering to him specifcally, his collection can now almost match my own.

^^ouch, but valid point...

EDIT: that being said, the more i think about the less i worry. here is why:

1) first off, anyone who has even considered being an AEG retailer, now would be the best time because they would literally be unopposed, so in terms of a lucrative business need a say more? Can anyone say "monopoly"?
2) i already have a MK23 purchase lined up (thanks kos, PM inbound btw). after that, any other thing i want can be ordered. i.e. if i want to custom build an M4, i can buy almost all the parts. the remaining can be purchased via huang or airsoftparts.ca so unless i want a special item, such as a Tanaka Kar98k or a CA M24, then i think i can find someone, if not, order from the classified. but by then (a year or so) i think another importer will arrive on scene or, i think anyway, shootsoft will expand their inventory to include higher-end brands.

thats just my thoughts though...

Wasn't a shot directly at him, I guess. But in his general direction and the direction of all kids like him. The ones who think the guns are cool and want them all even though we tell them countless times it's illegal for them to have them because they're underage, but they still get them. Now they'll have to cough up a lot more to get one =D

I Still find it strange and slightly fishy that AA would only post on MAA about this and not JOC or ASC.....

Talk about retarded...

I wish the price of gas reach 5-10$ a liter so that the fucking immature drifter wannabe racers wont use their cars to race on the street... duh!!!

But...but...Cassius...what about the stupid people who have lots of money? Sorry, I couldnt resisit. We will will just have to be more diligent in educating them.

Cheap guns have pretty much all the same external components as their name brand counterparts, though...and isn't that the hardest part to get into the country? I'm thinking JG externals + TM internals = just as good as a TM?

Maybe he hates dealing with ASC? Your lucky Hubbard cares enough about you to say anything at all :)
I didn't think they had an office depot in Neepawa, but apparently he got a hold of an easy button somehow lol
Honestly I thought the easy button was just going to shut down sales to ASC specifically but oh well.

I'm surprised Mark himself hasn't said anything here yet.

Like a few on here, havn't orderd from them but still, ouch :(...

But, screw the hole "AHH we have no importer!" .... Men, rally up! we're heading to the border!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is nothing on his site or his forum stating any of this...... You would think he would put it on his site first rather than a MAA with 167 active members!!!

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That's Staples... :P

Tokyo, this is not solving the problem at all. It's just helping in its own way.

I mean we still have to pull something positive out of this.

And yeah the rich pricks will still get their hands on guns but that's when my Dual Steak Hammers +2 come handy.

I know you're not wondering but I really do have 2 steak hammers. :D I love those.

so i placed an order for a gun from 007 at the beginning of January. Will i still receive this?

I have ordered from Ken before, and he has told me himself that he can order guns from WGC. If this is no longer the case, please tell me.

This really sucks about AA shutting down. Like Brian said though: there is ALWAYS a way:) This is a great opportunity for me to build my own AIMS:D

Just to vent out my anger at stupid noob players who don't know any better, I live in an apartment building and I go to the basement to do my laundry all the time. A couple weeks ago, I saw two idiots playing with springers down there, not even wearing any safety gear. I felt like pimp slapping them :smack: The government can kiss my middle finger too lol

This sport WILL NOT DIE. It is amazing what the power of positive thinking can do.

I also posses a steak hammer, but not two. I shall name mine Julio and he shall bash a plenty.

Well considering the majority of his business was done with MAA, its not surprising at all.

Also, for the other who said its weird that A&A has not posted anywhere else to make this statement, its not really. He doesnt normally post on the other forums much at all, most of his posts if any at all were on MAA.

You'll have to ask 007.

i was afraid of that. by the time i get a response, mark will have already closed down... and im half kidding here...

Hmm... after all the talk on here about how he is "gouging and ripping us off" why do you think he would give a rats ass about ASC?

I've had a couple back and forth emails with him and he said he's retiring from Airsoft. I didn't discuss further with him about the disposition of inventory and the rest of shutting that side down.

I like the idea of a retailer or two for gear, support if you have problems, and so on.

Great having a self taught gun doctor who fixes stuff in his spare time but better to have someone who's proficient enough to make a real living at it along with parts in country vs. "who's got a group buy coming".

http://img.nextag.com/image/Steakmas.../566878720.jpg

Go dual tokyo; always cool to come out screaming, face paint and dual steak hammers. My lefty is named Face and my righty is named Fucked.

And why not? Most of his customers are here on ASC.

I am sorry to see Mark go, at least I got my VFC SCAR L

Including some he's in dispute with over thousands of dollars of paid for, yet undelivered goods. That can make a big difference.

+1

i just got a email from him saying

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Hi,



I’m retiring as of march 31 2008 yes will be not selling any aeg’s or gbbs will still be doing everything else.



mark

Because we're his main customer base?

what are you talking about then????? you seem to know somthing, share...

Julio goes in my right hand and my left hand is busy pushing the big red "FIRE" button that launches the rocket chainsaws.

Indeed. Dual steak hammers rule. That way, you can beat your meat twice as fast!
:D

and this is the part where we all beging to spiral off into jackassery...I kid.

Meister; Steak Hammers are for meat?

Tokyo, can you get those Rocket Chainsaws in country?

or even just a cap gun or squirt gun + black spray paint
i dont see why our government is so against importing airsoft when if they are concerned about the realism you can go buy a clear or blaze orange gun and paint it

really??? if i had any business id love 1000 orders a day!!!!

i dont think you should be talking for mark like that HATE is a strong word,and why would someone hate ppls money and respect???thats all i see here and all ive EVER gave! mark put a gun back on sale for me!! great guy!! i still like him even "if" he hates us.....................

Guess I should order that MAX kit while I still can.

edit; im not as pissed and ducky talked to me....

For those wondering why he did not post, just search for the number of posts complaining about his prices. Than take a look at a recent lock thread involving himself and ASC user here. Read the follow posts in that thread 95% of which are bandwagon basher's some of which have never even dealt with Mark. I am willing to bet, Mark even received a nasty email or two as a result of that thread.

Now this of course is pure speculation on my part but, if I had continually deal with crap like this than I would probably call it quits as well.

When it happens, it happens, until then anything else is a rumour.
If it does, then we must soldier on and find another source.
No need to start hating on anyone.

he is still selling every thing but not guns

so metal bodies?

You can buy everything but gun for 1/2 the price fron any US or HK vendor...
Why would you bother purshasing a 80$ battery from him when you can pay 20$ from ehobbyasia or any other store?

And lets not forget that Mark Anderson has not posted anything here. Folks that are said to be tied to him are the ones putting up the in jokes, and so on.

I can acknowledge the fact that if he does not wish to post here for his own reasons that is his choice. I can also say if I was in his shoes I wouldn't want my posse talking smack in my place.

I heard Mark was bringing them in.....oh wait....

guess so

Because then said people won't get the satisfaction of complaining about it afterwards.

Holy crap people. Yes Mark is going to be finished importation of restricted items as of March 1st 2008.

Those who don't believe it, all I can do is offer the following screenshot from the MAA Members only forum.

well ya, cause the service is so good they have nothing to complain about in the first place...

you know, im all for family and stuff, its great. but i would think he has a moral obligation to the community and what not. that being said, if its too stressful, hire some extra hands, or make your order system more efficient. if its stressful to the point where he can't handle the influx of orders, then logic and business skills would dictate that he should hire more people to help him deal with the email answering and the ordering and such. thats what i would do if i had a successful business as he does.

It's his business, it's his decision. He doesn't have a moral obligation to anyone.

It's stressful because the RCMP and CBSA are constantly on his case, and getting raided is always a possibility looming over an airsoft importer/retailer's head.

Great... so, anyone with an opinion who is from Manitoba is automatically one of Mark's "posse"... did I miss a meeting?

I know for a fact that Mark was / is a member of JSOC, so i'll take their word over anyone else's here.

I heard that airsoft sales are actually just a small part of Mark's business. His main business is army surplus, so it's probably just too much hassle to deal with airsoft sales, not to mention the accusations and remarks that get thrown around here.

I'll stand up for the guy though, for the most part he seems to have done a great job and my personal dealings with him support this. Sure, my word as a relatively unknown user may not carry a lot of weight around here, but I think we were lucky to have Mark try his hand at airsoft retail for as long as he did. From the posts on this forum and the people I've spoken to, it seems there were many more satisfied customers than unsatisfied customers. Kudos to you, Mark, I hope we can still count on your for parts and accessories :)

This second chart clearly illustrates what side the Homies are on.

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...-ke/Homies.jpg

It is indeed sad loosing a major retailer. However, I personally never had any good experiences with A&A. Hell, I might just be the 2% minority but it's left a bad taste in my mouth as it is. All we need now is someone that is willing to stockpile a shitload of receivers/frames... Everything else is legal to import.

A&A still has tons of AEGs in stock on his site. What will happen to whatever is left after march 31?

they will probaly be all sold by then i know im getting a kjw m9 berrta in the next week or so.

he is using them for his field renting and selling there

Cash n' Carry.

Personally, I've never had a problem with Mark. I've made a few purchases from him (including 3 guns) and he's treated me well and given me great service.

Regardless, I do question the recent serious price hikes on products, but I can't complain about the service I've received. It's sad to see our biggest retailer closing down shop.

I imagine it will still be for sale.

His post just says he's no longer IMPORTING guns. I imagine the ones in stock he will continue "selling".

Always sad to see a retailer go indeed; and it's frustrating because it's not the responsible users who are getting the sport in trouble. It's the kiddie "gangsta's" who take them to school, or play outside with them. (thus causing the stress and threat of seizure on the importers).

So much for our rights.

Sadly, laws are often geared to that lowest common denominator, rather than the majority who end up paying for the stupidity of the few.

You have got to be kidding me! I've been dealing with Mark for years now and he's always come through. This simply sucks.

I'm not really all that worried. It sucks to see another retailer go down.. but like others have said, good will hopefully come of this. Take a look back to airsoft 3-4-5 years ago. I wasn't around and im sure a lot of others here weren't around. But what I can say is that it was a lot different back then compared to now and theres been a ton of change over the years. Airsoft is still here, theres still a good amount of guns in country that can change hands and theres still new ones being brought over all the time.

yup it sucks.

price hikes .. I know he lost a bunch of items due to customs and that was happening more and more as this past year went on. as a result his brokerage fees have gone up and recovering losses.. I guess that adds up to increase. How much? tough to say.. im sure he is making it while he can and as a business owner he has a right to do that.

we will always complain about this and that while the getting is good. when the getting gets tough we would be glad to have another like him importing our guns.. that is until we get bitchy again and decide to complain about the new guy.
case and point.. Peter Kang. everyone loved Kang..then they got tired of paying him all their life savings and hated him. Kang went away and we cried but not for long because MARK saved the day! we love mark! now wait! he is trying to make money off of us! lets burn his home!!!!! he...is ...leaving??? what?? oooooh this is not good! we loved mark!

what it boils down to is not dis-liking anyone or the business... it boils down to constant piling of government bureaucracy and the red tape slowly choking you out of breath. Time to get out man. let someone else try it on for size. This does go beyond another retailer going down though. it is another IMPORTER. there havent been many importers in CDN history. Kang and Anderson are 2 of FEW. why do you think everyone shut the doors when Kang left? Ken was supplied by Kang..then Mark. Now they are both gone and Ken needs to find another source

well price will surely go up, not sure how much just like John Rockerfeller (spelling) did to oil. I wish Canada set laws requires 18 year old to have license to own a airsoft like firearm but without registration to every single one since theres no serial, but allow civilian to import the guns. Of course lobby group is only way to get this out.

I'll miss having something in-country to gauge prices, but there are still plenty of new AEGs and GBBs entering the country.

looks like ill be building my m4 from scratch... perhaps a how-to from scratch tutorial is needed?

Actually a few of us on JSOC have been telling him to stop all sales outside of Manitoba for about 5 months now as it's the out of province sales that cause all his stress. Not to say there aren't any pleasant people to deal with, but there are alot more UNpleasant people to deal with. It has just been a whole lot of little problems adding up to this, and it's not that his business is no longer profitable (he can always raise prices even more) it's that it's too DIFFICULT to continue doing what he's doing.

Fuck.

If you have good prices and deal fairly with your customers you wont have problem finding buyers for your inventory... and you wont have complaint from said customers.

And the last thing a retailler want to do is screwing peoples on asc (RLV bulk order come to mind...)

On a side note i think we also have a more complexe situation than some peoples whining about the price of airsoft guns.

Sure we have people that think they've been screwed up by the prices of AEG
in Canada and whine about it. But you also have peoples that have their heads so deep in the seller's/retailler's asses that they come here and post Mark here, Mark there like they know him for the past 10 years and all they have done is buying a gun and a battery from him. So please cut up the crap will ya.

Sure some people had a great service with Anderson & Anderson and there are some that dont. We also have some members of this community who have made a thousand dollars bulk order with him and still dont know what will happen to their money, but hey, thats ok Sellers/Retaillers are Gods here in Canada. Lets go and blame them too because they are complaining and have made Anderson close.

For myself i blame the Canada and his stupid replica law. Here we have a law that divides a community, that make prices go up because retaillers take risk importing what we need to play. And for what? Nothing because we all know that this law change absolutely nothing to the rate of criminality. People are not more secure now than they were before.

So i dont blame Anderson for the prices of their guns i still can choose not to buy from him. I dont blame the people that whine about the price because i understand their frustration. The problem is politic and i have no choice now unless i accept the facts that retaillers will come and go and the prices will still be up.

because we aren't organized.

Hahahaha you're joking right!!? Ok people he's just joking, nothing to see here, lets move on!!








Hope i save this thread from the trash disposal! :rolleyes:

why couldnt we just saying make a movement and lobby. or is their sumthing that i dont really now about that has been tryed.

LOL some peoples here dont want us to be organized... you know keep it quiet, airsoft in Canada is doing fine, keep it under the carpet, it been tried a thousand time before kind off guys...


Shhhh dont want to awake them!!! :rolleyes:

well then we should not complain if you dont like it complain to the right people and sitting on a message board and complaing about politics and laws that COULD be changed if some one would put togther somthing i coukldnt as im only 18 and dont knwo a thing aobut theys alwas because i new but certinaly some one cares about the state airsofts in and could push for this to be changed.

Maybe he is a scientologist and was offended by the Scientology thread...

seriously though... this sucks

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=49197

Good read... after that you will understand ;)