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audi_bhoy June 28th, 2011 19:28

I think I remember something that I had to rebend the auto tab on the switch, but it's so far in my mind I can't be sure...

battleXtar June 29th, 2011 10:31

Now problem still arrive... I cut the sp enuf not to engage the cutout lever, try shooting in semi mode but there are no single shots... Sp was touching 2 prong springs. All fired in 3 bursts.. After about 5-7 pull it just double beep & stops..

When in full auto the gun just cycle once than stop... Sp was touching all 3 prongs & not engaging cutout lever...

Still can't determine whats wrong...

battleXtar July 5th, 2011 23:31

1 quick question: does the cutoff lever engage from the sector gear does a big movement on the ascu sensor arm? i mean does the sensor arm move all the way to the highest point or the cutoff lever should just engage half of the sensor arm?? & what does it means when one should get a better cutoff lever?

my m4 still not shoting any semi in semi mode.... & no full auto, just 3 burst in semi mode... i've done all the nessecery adjustment on the new Guarder selector plate, but no luck...

Flo-con July 6th, 2011 14:06

According to the manufacturer, here are the dimension:
L = 5.2 mm
W = 2.0 mm
H = 1.2 mm
If anyone's interested.

Visser July 12th, 2011 10:05

I just installed one of these new ones on an m4. Had to replace the cut off lever but after that it will cycle in semi fine but on auto it only cycles once as if it's still on semi. Any ideas?

coach July 12th, 2011 12:05

your selector plate is still contacting the cut off lever in F/A. you need to trim a bit more on the selector plate

audi_bhoy July 12th, 2011 13:51

Actually, I think it is more the third contact on the switch (The long one), outside the gearbox isn't touching the selector plate's metal piece, so it thinks it is still in semi. Bend it towards the outside of the box a little so the SP touches the contact arm.

coach July 12th, 2011 16:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by audi_bhoy (Post 1499653)
Actually, I think it is more the third contact on the switch (The long one), outside the gearbox isn't touching the selector plate's metal piece, so it thinks it is still in semi. Bend it towards the outside of the box a little so the SP touches the contact arm.

but if it thought it was in semi, it wouldn't it continue to cycle in semi? since the cutoff lever should be able to move freely in both positions, it should act exactly the same as if the 3rd contact is not engaging the selector plate.

audi_bhoy July 12th, 2011 18:25

Well, if it doesn't buzz and still does semi shot after shot, it's the 3rd contact arm, otherwise, if it does one single shot and then buzz, it's most likely the cut-off arm, IMO...

battleXtar July 12th, 2011 22:14

is the below true??

I'm still trying to understand the whole relation between the SP + cutoff lever :

• Semi mode: SP touches 2 prong lever spring & not engaging the cutoff lever, cutoff lever moves freely??
(my case its shooting 3 burst in semi mode...)

• Full auto: ?? SP touches 3 prong lever spring & engage the cutoff lever, now the cutoff lever is being push by the SP to the top max??
(mine is not shooting in full auto - my SP not engaging the cutoff lever at all...)

audi_bhoy July 12th, 2011 23:28

The SP shall never touch the CO lever with this unit. If your semi shoots 3-round, most likely the 3rd contact is touching the SP, and needs bending away from the SP.

battleXtar July 12th, 2011 23:56

OK, that make sense..

Now lets go the the sensor unit... Inside the gearbox, the cutoff lever engages the sensor (dark grey color) arm by the sector gear's cycle, the cutoff lever's arm go almost at the sensor's highest point, leaving almost no gap it this point of the cycle... At the idle state the the cutoff lever rest with about 15mm gap from the sensor arm.. Is this correct?

Jughead July 22nd, 2011 00:39

Hello Gents.

I have the 1st generation ASCU and it works like a dream.

I have now installed the 2nd generation ASCU and am having an issue on semi auto.

The gun will cycle once or twice before stopping and seems to seize up. But once I put it into 3 round or FA, it works fine?! Once I have fired it on 3 round bursts or FA, I can again cycle the gun in semi once or twice before it seems to get confused.. If i keep pushing the trigger enough times it will do a full cycle.

So..

I figure its not the battery or motor as it shoots perfectly on 3 round and FA.

Is it the cutoff lever or selector plate? or is it something else? Has anyone else had a similar situation?

coach July 22nd, 2011 08:33

I haven't seen the gen 2 yet but it would be the same process as the gen 1.

remove the spring and cycle the gears. watch for switch and cutoff lever movement. do the same thing watching to see if the cutoff lever contacts the selector. check the 3 leaf springs on the back of the switch for proper contact with the selector plate.

cetane July 22nd, 2011 13:32

I had to mod my selector to reliably get semi & auto to work as selected. When I went from safe to semi I had nothing. Move a little past semi and it engaged ok. Full auto at times worked. What I did was pull the metal off the selector plate and shave down the end towards the front of mechbox and slightly trim the metal so when I put it back on the selector plate, the metal was about 0.5mm closer to rear of mechbox. Now all modes engage properly.

I just now should replace the motor with a high torque one to help with braking. It at times over runs after burst holding nozzle pulled back.

Mjosr7 July 23rd, 2011 12:37

KWA SR 7 with ASCU v2 fire select issues
 
Problem: Fire select lever in SAFE, it fires a single shot.
: fire select lever in SEMI, It fires a single shot.
: fire select lever in AUTO, It fires 3 round burst.
: Return fire select lever to SEMI it fires 3 round burst.
: In mode 3 (single fire 3 round burst)

Does not malfunction when the gearbox is removed from the lower receiver.

I have put electrical tape on the inside of the lower receiver where the 3 exposed contacts may touch the receiver and on the two exposed parts of the contact on the selector plate. Disassembled and reassembled many times.

Anybody have similar issues or any insight to what could be the issue??


I am new to the forum.
First AEG...KWA sr7 with ASCU gen2. Very resilient MOSFET. Want to upgrade when this issue is solved.

audi_bhoy July 24th, 2011 10:39

Might looks like your contact plates on the switch are too bent, or the gearbox isn't sitting where it should, and the SP is not in proper position due to that.

Mjosr7 July 25th, 2011 15:57

KWA SR 7 selector plate tolerance
 
Looks like the tolerance between the selector plate contact is really close to the contacts to the ASCU contact pins. I didn't want to bend the pins so I pushed the contact on the selector plate as far forward and than puta drop of C.A. Glue to keep it in place.

I also put a small bead of C.A.Glue on the right side edge of the selector plate contact.
Gonna see. Hot that works out.

Thanks for the input Audi_Bhoy..

venture July 25th, 2011 17:44

GRRR....Just installed a Gen 2 and when I powered up for first time it beeps to signal that it is ready, then does nothing. Nothing in semi or full auto. The metal of the selector plate is obviously connecting the 2 and the 3 lamellas.

Anyone know what is going on here?

Jugglez July 25th, 2011 18:52

Communication problems between the sensor unit and brain usually means one or more contact pins on the data cable connectors (either end) are either damaged or come loose.

There are 4 wires on the data cable, each wire is a signal for one of safe, semi, 3round burst and full auto.

If the brain successfully beeps the motor on startup but one or more fire modes are not working i would be looking at the data cable before anything else.

venture July 26th, 2011 08:12

Thanks, Duy. I will try another data cable.

venture July 27th, 2011 00:21

Well, a new data cable fixed the problem. I believe the original was defective. I was so very careful with it, I cannot believe I damaged it. However, I do read that they are very delicate.

Ninja_En_Short July 28th, 2011 12:02

Hi everyone, question for you : Ijust installed an ASCU with the trigger and everything but the ASCU does not detect full auto, only semi, which means I only have semi auto available and can't program any other mode (only the the empty mag detection).
I folowed the manual except for the inner sticker I didn't have in the box.

Any ideas ?

MultipleParadox July 28th, 2011 18:28

Sticker should have been in the box, at least I had it when i gave it to you. Might have fallen somewhere, oh well, just make sure it wont short on the body :P

I don't have as much experience as you but is the cutoff lever moving freely? What about the contacts, are they meeting correctly?

coach July 28th, 2011 18:37

Inner sticker? You mean the bit they say to cover the selector plate to prevent contacting the receiver? Use duct tape on the receiver.

If it doesn't respond to full auto, ensure you trimmed enough of the selector plate. As you manually cycle the box without the spring in, make sure the cutoff lever doesn't touch the selector plate. Did you remove the cutoff lever spring?

Mjosr7 July 28th, 2011 20:23

Fuse necessity? If so what is the recommended.
 
My ASCU v2 did not come with a fuse. There is no mention of it in the manual.
What has been the norm with using this MOSFET? A little concerned and don't want to destroy this thing.

coach July 28th, 2011 20:42

I don't believe there is a fuse for the gen 2

phloudernow July 29th, 2011 12:33

try check the wires? if u did a cut maybe the wires aren't soldered on properly, i have the gen 1 installed on an M4 with a collapsable stock and that was a total nuisance for the gun doc, apparently one of the problems mine had was that so yer no idea tho bout the gen 2 ones still have to buy a few to try out :)

Ninja_En_Short July 29th, 2011 13:59

Cut off lever is springless and I believe I cut enough, yet selector is very hard, may have done something wrong there.

HKGhost July 29th, 2011 15:24

If everything was done correctly but it still won't shoot full auto, it could be that the ribbon cable is damaged or isn't plugged in all the way. Either try cleaning the connector or replace with another one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ninja_En_Short (Post 1509112)
Cut off lever is springless and I believe I cut enough, yet selector is very hard, may have done something wrong there.


ryan1796 August 17th, 2011 12:54

oh...I think I'm going to need some help too.

I installed it, re-installed it, and re-installed it again but the probelm of mine won't fixed.
My problem is now, it's won't shoot semi. No matter what I do, it shoots only full auto.
First off, it doesn't wanna go into the progamming mode at all. I only hear a beep when I pluged my battery and no more beep. It just keep shooting.
Can anyone give me an advise me on this? or is there any available Gun-Doc who is very familier to ASCU V2??

Forgot to mention it, it's am MP5A4.

MultipleParadox August 17th, 2011 13:20

Ryan, have you taken a look at the contact points of the ASCU and the selector plate if everything was in order?
If I'm correct, when on safe the selector plate shouldn't make any contact, in full it should contact all 3 points. I'm not sure on Semi though

ryan1796 August 17th, 2011 14:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by MultipleParadox (Post 1518596)
Ryan, have you taken a look at the contact points of the ASCU and the selector plate if everything was in order?
If I'm correct, when on safe the selector plate shouldn't make any contact, in full it should contact all 3 points. I'm not sure on Semi though

That's the biggest problem for me. Because I can't see where the selector plate is...I've tried look at it, but impossible..if it was M4, I'd just try put only the grip on the gear box and test it out but since it's MP5...I can't do that either.

MultipleParadox August 17th, 2011 14:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryan1796 (Post 1518629)
That's the biggest problem for me. Because I can't see where the selector plate is...I've tried look at it, but impossible..if it was M4, I'd just try put only the grip on the gear box and test it out but since it's MP5...I can't do that either.

Oh, I don't even know what the Mp5's GB looks like, sorry I can't really help you on that matter then :/

ryan1796 August 18th, 2011 12:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by MultipleParadox (Post 1518638)
Oh, I don't even know what the Mp5's GB looks like, sorry I can't really help you on that matter then :/

It's same v2 gearbox bot on a different body and using a different selector plate..oh lord..

I'm looking for a Gun-doc who can properly install my ASCU~! I'll pay of course.

coach August 18th, 2011 15:15

I don't have the ascu2 but my mp5 install with the original ascu went in smooth as butter. I did have a small hiccup with the selector plate but that was easily remedied with a new one.

Ryan, assuming you followed the instructions, did you mod the gearbox at all near the selector plate? Is there 100% clearance from the contacts and the gearbox? Double check that the outside of the selector plate is also insulated from shorting out.

Btw, I haven't looked at my mp5 in a while, nor do I know much about the version 2 programming.

HKGhost August 18th, 2011 15:33

@ ryan, are you programing it correctly? Plug in battery, wait 2 second and flip the selector to full auto and pull the trigger once. Then after that you'll hear the beeps for programing. Read over the instruction manual for programing and trouble shooting. But it does sound like your selector plate is not in the correct position. If you have another selector plate, swap it and try again. Also try moving the safety lever is a half position (between fire position) and see if that works. If it does, then it's your selector plate.

coach August 18th, 2011 17:11

Good call HKGhost. I remember having that issue with my m4 because of a mechbox/receiver fitment issue. Was only out a couple millimeters but prevented proper firing.

HKGhost August 18th, 2011 17:20

I forgot one more thing, check the cutoff lever. If the lever is not raising high enough to engage the cutoff trigger switch, you won't get semi fire but only full auto. Either replace the cutoff lever or bend it so it raises higher when the sector gear engage it.

@ coachster, yea I've see this issue a lot with cheaper gearboxes. It can make you go nuts when it's just off by millimeters.

ryan1796 August 19th, 2011 01:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by HKGhost (Post 1519321)
I forgot one more thing, check the cutoff lever. If the lever is not raising high enough to engage the cutoff trigger switch, you won't get semi fire but only full auto. Either replace the cutoff lever or bend it so it raises higher when the sector gear engage it.

@ coachster, yea I've see this issue a lot with cheaper gearboxes. It can make you go nuts when it's just off by millimeters.

I'll try them all out again on this weekend. But first off, it doesn't even start the program mode when I plugged the battery on Safe nor I never programmed it.

@HKGhost, if I send you my gun, can you fix it? I assume you're from Airsoft Parts Canada.

HKGhost August 19th, 2011 07:39

Give it a try and see what you can do, it all fails, then yes you can send me the gearbox to look at. My only concern is the actual mosfet and if it's damaged or not. I won't be able to fix it if it is. Also look at the ribbon cable to confirm there's no damage to any of the wires. That could also cause your issues. Let me know now it goes and PM me.

mr_nuts31 August 22nd, 2011 01:54

I just shredded my wires that lead to the motor on my 1st gen ascu and I need to know what's the best way to fix that?

coach August 22nd, 2011 09:25

You can splice in any low resistance wires to the motor. I highly recommend soldering(avoid cold joints) them instead of just twisting and taping.

Also avoid any solid core wires.

venture September 5th, 2011 09:44

Getting frustrated by another of these. This will be 3 out of 10 or 12 installs. That is too high a rate of failure!

This one seems to have no active braking. It fires once, over rotates and double beeps and shuts down. I have already changed the data cable once. I tried it again with a anti-reversal latch installed. It just over-rotates and shuts down with the thing locked in a half cycle.

Checked the cutoff lever (it is brand new, as is the sector gear) and it moves the ASCU switch far to the top.

Does anyone know what is happening here?

rames October 17th, 2011 04:11

Hello,

I have problem with my ASCU2. Everything is done according ASCU manual.
I think, I have problem with gear timing, my air nozzle does not stop in normal position - backward, it stops in middle position (nor back or forward) and AEG observes lost of FPS. With stock parts I have no problem. As i know, after semi shoot, nozzle must be in back position.

this is video of sector gears cycling by my hand.
Movie.wmv - YouTube

As you can see on video, I think cutoff lever activates sensor earlier, breaks circuit and nozzle stays in wrong position.

Is any suggestions?
thank you

coach October 17th, 2011 12:20

the cutoff lever appears to actuate normally. the sector gear is in the proper position when the cutoff moves and resets. you are using the proper tappet return spring?

can you take a video of it with the upper receiver off?

rames October 17th, 2011 14:34

Quote:

The cause to happen this is that you use the motor with not strong enough
magnets.
To resolve this problem you can return anti reverse latch into gearbox, or
change the motor with another one with strong magnets.

Regards
AS Support
This is email from airsoftsystems support, replay about my problem.
But I have g&p m180 motor, which is stronger than systema magnum.
also, I tried with ARL, but without success.

coachster
I am using stock tapet plate and spring. I will assemble AEG and post video again. Thank you for replay.

rames October 18th, 2011 08:24

KWA M4A1 ASCU Problem.wmv - YouTube

coach October 18th, 2011 10:04

At first, I thought it was slight over spin from a lower torque motor but since you have the m180 it's hard to say now.

I use the G&P m170 with good results in my M4 but in the MP5 I am using a stock JG high torque motor without issue as well.

I'm at a loss as to your compression issues. You could possibly contact Jugglez for any insight.

rames October 18th, 2011 10:30

Very strange, I am one man in the world, who have this type of problem with ASCU. Google says nothing :)
I will drop it in trash and will live calm :D
I am tired from assembling/disassembling gearbox many times.

coachster
Thank you for attention

audi_bhoy October 19th, 2011 18:24

Use the M-93 Motor from ebairsoft.com, low cost, high magnets, and powerful enought (would cause overspin without the ASCU in single shooting)

rames October 27th, 2011 09:09

OK, I made some modifications.
Problem was in air leak between air nozzle and bucking.
Tappet plates (it is new) front side was bent to back and air nozzle does not moved enough to forward. I've heated tappet plate, made 90 degree of front side of tappet plate and air nozzle goes far of.
Also, i've increased length of hopup spring.
After this modifications FPS is increased from 440FPS to 482FPS. This result is with Guarder SP140 spring.
I will research further, because I think currently it have air leak also, because with SP140 it is bad result.

mr_nuts31 November 6th, 2011 02:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by coachster (Post 1520818)
You can splice in any low resistance wires to the motor. I highly recommend soldering(avoid cold joints) them instead of just twisting and taping.

Also avoid any solid core wires.

I did just that and when I plugged in the battery, the motor constantly spins and I hear no beeping. Somehow I think I fucked up the control unit.

Nortus November 7th, 2011 14:30

Where can we get replacement data cables?

juicyjust November 7th, 2011 20:01

Connectors
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nortus (Post 1557772)
Where can we get replacement data cables?



You can get part H1565-ND for the connetor and H1577CT-ND for the pins from digikey.ca to replace the connectors.

The pins are a pain to fit, so order 100 to make sure :)

Just

CJay November 9th, 2011 00:26

or u go to airsoftparts.ca and just order a new data cable that will fit without fucking around with annoying small pins that break lol...

coach November 9th, 2011 07:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by CJay (Post 1558496)
or u go to airsoftparts.ca and just order a new data cable that will fit without fucking around with annoying small pins that break lol...

Dude, tone It back a bit. Take a look yourself at airsoftparts and try to find it first.

gman3850 January 27th, 2012 12:32

ok ive red through most of the thread and seem to find the answers but their not working

i just installed and im getting over spin on every motor i have in full auto and that makes it do a quick click and then stop, it worked fine first mag (60rds) than it started sounding funny after i plugged battery back in to change mood. the beep sound went from crisp to scrachy and the ab doesnt work, i have changed lipos and tryed all the moods
i have
matrix turbo
g&p 120
aim f430 spider torque motor
aim f430i high speed
stock j motor

no matter which one they all over rotate

SuperHog January 27th, 2012 13:50

That micro switch looks fragile. What are you guys doing to prevent the trigger from breaking it if pulled too hard?

Cobrajr122 April 9th, 2012 13:11

After my TM stock trigger contacts took a shit on me a few months ago I decided that it would be a great time to buy the ASCU and try it out.

Ever since I have installed this thing my rifle has not been useable. At the same time I was also posted away to go on course and I am finally back in a situation where I have my rifle again and can try to get it fixed. Getting it fixed is top priority for me right now since Echo1 shit the bed with the trigger design for the M240. I JUST replaced it and it broke again before i could even fucking game it >_>

I NEVER had ANY problems with the rifle until the trigger contacts bit the dust.

The problem: Shoots once or twice then gives me 2 buzzes and does not shoot again unless I re-connect the battery.

According to the manual this could be a few things.

1. Tight shimming
2. Motor too high
3. Poor battery
4. Weak motor
5. Broken gear
-----------------------------
1. Gears spin freely, even tried shimming them loose.

2. Tried every height setting, even removed the highest adjustment compleatly.

3. Tried with multiple charged batteries, all 9.6V and one 7.4V 20C Lipo.

4. JUST replaced the stock TM EG MAX Hyper 1000 with a G&P M120 today.
Gun is only shooting 350 FPS on 0.2g, so not a very strong spring anyways. It was shooting 380 when I bought it back in 2008.

5. Gears are fine.

This is really pissing me off. I would like to see the ASCU work but if I have to go back to mechanical trigger mech I will.

HKGhost April 9th, 2012 14:52

Did you check to make sure that the cutoff lever is tripping the unit? Some cutoff lever (worn ones) won't go up high enough to trip the unit in SEMI. Either bend the cutoff lever (if it's steel) so as the sector gear goes around, it tips the cutoff lever higher, or get a new one.

Cobrajr122 April 9th, 2012 15:23

How high should it be going up?
Its moving a good 4mm ish and was tripping the mechanical trigger mech just fine.

I would assume that the unit would not stop spinning the motor if it was not tripped by the cutoff leaver.

H1TMAN April 9th, 2012 15:43

I had the same issue with mine and the issue was a worn down cut-off lever. I would get and new one and try that.

HKGhost April 9th, 2012 17:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobrajr122 (Post 1635450)
How high should it be going up?
Its moving a good 4mm ish and was tripping the mechanical trigger mech just fine.

I would assume that the unit would not stop spinning the motor if it was not tripped by the cutoff leaver.

Just fine isn't good enough. The lever on the trigger should go completely up. You're getting off a few shots then the unit realize there's nothing tripping the unit off, so it goes "beep" then shuts off. I've see this many times now, and most of it was due to worn cutoff lever, or it wasn't tripping the unit off.

Amos April 9th, 2012 18:13

Don't use a prommy cut off lever though. They're too big and will snap the sensor arm off.

Cobrajr122 April 9th, 2012 19:17

I ordered a modify, see if it works.

Cobrajr122 April 12th, 2012 19:53

Installed the new cutoff leaver. Did not fix the issue. Comparing it to the stock one in there, the stock one does not look worn at all.

Mike.m June 20th, 2012 17:57

ascu mosfet motor and mosfet getting warm
 
just a quick question guys. Is it normal for the motor as well as the mosfet to get warm? it's a brand new ascu. it works fine but the motor and mosfet itself gets warm during cycling.

MultipleParadox June 21st, 2012 00:01

Warm, yes
Hot, most probably
Hot so you have a hard time holding it in your hands, not at all

ThunderCactus June 21st, 2012 07:51

If it gets to the point where the comp shuts down from overheating, you have a problem

Mike.m June 21st, 2012 12:13

heres my setup. i'm running an 11.1 20c lipo along with the amp T5000L high torque motor.i bought 2 brand new ascu mosfet units. i installed one and it was heating up the wires,mosfet and the motor as well, starting from the battery wires and moving down into the mosfet and motor. i originally thought it was the ascu mosfet kit being bad, so i replaced it with another brand new one. i made sure to be extra careful on install and double checked everything. everything works awesome, but once again the wires and mosfet, as well as motor is heating up. not smoldering hot but warm enough to notice. once it heats up i stop operation. should i swap the small tammy for a deans? should i try a different motor? i'm lost at this point.

i'm just on the fence here with mosfets. it's the first time ive used one, so i don't know if it's normal to heat up, or if something is malfunctioning. i could see getting one bad apple out of the bunch, but 2 is very unlikely.

MultipleParadox June 21st, 2012 12:52

What gauge is your wires and what connector do you use?

cetane June 21st, 2012 13:07

My ver. 1 the motor gets pretty warm under lots of semi shooting. The main unit seems to stay ok temp wise. My wiring is changed from the board to motors with the modify low resistance wiring (my version had the bad wiring insulation & jugglez gave me some wire to fix mine up)

audi_bhoy June 21st, 2012 17:49

Semi shooting causes more heat to the motor as it constantly starts and stops, compared to auto shooting. I didn't read the entire post since the last time I wrote in here, but what about your gear shimming and motor height? (If you didn't state these earlier....)

Mike.m June 21st, 2012 22:24

mechbox is shimmed nicely, gears spin freely with little to no wobble. motor height is good no whining or grinding. as for the gauge of the wiring it came with 18 awg rated for 200 degree wiring. it's the newest version from ascu. heres a link of the mosfet : http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_inf...oducts_id=9191

if need be i can re-wire it to deans, but as of now it's wired to a small tammy. would re-soldering the board to low resistance wiring help? i mean it says it's rated up to 12v.

HKGhost June 21st, 2012 23:34

Try a different motor. I'm not familiar with that amp T5000L, but if it's a power hog, you'll get a hot setup. I've worked on a gun running Systema Magnum motor and that got everything really hot. Too hot to handle. So check that out as the wiring should be good enough, but do upgrade to Deans.

Mike.m June 22nd, 2012 01:22

swapped it to deans, i don't know which motor will be compatible, because the unit needs a good motor with strong magnets. i tried an echo1 brand new high torque and the system would function at all. any suggestions on motors with strong magnets that aren't power hogs?

HKGhost June 22nd, 2012 01:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike.m (Post 1669718)
swapped it to deans, i don't know which motor will be compatible, because the unit needs a good motor with strong magnets. i tried an echo1 brand new high torque and the system would function at all. any suggestions on motors with strong magnets that aren't power hogs?

I have had great luck with Guarder's Infinite Torque-Up Motor. It's a beast of a motor but without sucking your battery dry. Another option is the SHS High Torque motor. You have a higher chance of getting a lemon comparing to the Guarder, but it's a pretty decent motor if you're not pulling a super heavy spring.

Mike.m June 22nd, 2012 02:04

thanks for the input on motors. as for spring rate, i'm only running an m115. im using it for a cqb weapon and only using semi. i will try a different motor. right now i'm right at field limit, 398-400 with .2s. i had a couple spike at 405-406 but most consistently was 398-400

asheseven August 15th, 2012 07:25

Hi

So my team mate and i ordered our ascu's it will be here in the next few weeks.

im planning on putting it into mine into a magpul masada. and his into a king arms magpul m4.

both are front mounted and well mine has a plastic selector.

i was wondering if anyone else has done it to a masada?

thanks

Guam_Guy_671 January 2nd, 2013 06:04

Hello all,

I recently purchased my V2 ASCU and promptly installed it in my airsoft rifle. I broke off one of the wires on the data cable. I did
manage to solder it back on, but I was wondering where I could get a cheap replacement. (Ribbon connecter at a local Computer store maybe?)
I have another problem too. When I fire the weapon in semi or auto, the action cycles once then double beeps. My shimming is good, and I'm running a G&P M160 motor powered by a 11.1v 1000mah 20C lipo battery. My cut off lever engages the cut off sensor when I turned the sector gear. The selector plate isn't in the way and has been cut down to spec. I can't think of any other solutions.
Please help.

coach January 2nd, 2013 07:04

What spring are you pulling? The G&P motors aren't as strong as you'd like to think.

Guam_Guy_671 January 2nd, 2013 22:39

I'm using a systema 140 spring. Gears are from a guarder 150 FTK.
The weapon can completely fire one shot, but then the ascu double beeps. I have to unplug the battery and replug it in order to get another shot off.
I'll try to run it with a 120 spring and see if it works.

audi_bhoy March 5th, 2013 21:55

Anyone knows of a canadian retailer that has these units in stock? Can't seem to find it anywhere...

SMD April 15th, 2013 02:50

I'm currently pissed off at my ASCU gen2 .
I installed it shimed my gearbox perfectly .
And when I try to shoot it it doesn't one perfect cycle the it stops
I got a new cut of lever .I checked if the cut of is tripping the sensor
And it is but I notice there is like 1-2mm of extra movement .
I'm wondering does that sensor have to be tripped all the way up ?
And also I'm thinking as well the ascu sits kinda loose in the mechbox . Can that be a problem as well .

If anyone can help me on this plzz send me a msg .

audi_bhoy April 15th, 2013 10:18

Did you cut the selector plate properly?

On my side, currently waiting for my GEN 3 to come in, the one that all fits in the gearbox with the empty mag hop-up unit, can't wait to see how it goes !!

SMD April 15th, 2013 13:17

Yeah I believe I did . The selector isn't having any contact with the cut off

audi_bhoy April 15th, 2013 13:24

The unit must be beeping when it stops? Last time I had a problem with the ASCU I've been able to pinpoint the issue according to the beeping chart provided by Airsoft Systems.

phloudernow April 16th, 2013 22:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by audi_bhoy (Post 1784497)
Did you cut the selector plate properly?

On my side, currently waiting for my GEN 3 to come in, the one that all fits in the gearbox with the empty mag hop-up unit, can't wait to see how it goes !!

Im picking one up for my new build as well, imo they copied the raptor microswitch design and the hopup unit thing sounds gimmicky but if the hopup detection thing fails ill just install the unit alone lol

audi_bhoy April 17th, 2013 12:48

Being all in the gearbox, it allows to rewire to the front much easier I guess too. Hopefully the hop up unit doesn't fail either !

Jaxify April 19th, 2013 12:29

The ASCU hopup and bolt catch system is terrible and there have already been many reports of failures on other forums and their own FB page. The plastic they use for the hopup is very weak and the "ring" at the front snaps easily when installing an inner barrel. Also the switch for the bolt catch is super fragile and mine already broke within a few presses of the bolt catch. Still waiting for AS to get back to me on this.

As for the ASCU itself the trigger response is MUCH worse with the Gen3. Myself and several others have confirmed its not possible to fire more than 5 shots/sec on semi no matter how quickly you tap the trigger, which defeats the purpose of the feather trigger in the first place.

Just a heads up for you guys.

audi_bhoy April 19th, 2013 16:50

Just got mine too, seems that I'm missing half an inch on motor wires, and it required dremeling into the gearbox. I also need to find a new bolt catch since my customer had the classic army with the arm under the gearbox, and I don't want to destroy it so the switch would work.

EDIT: Everything is now installed and ready to go, but whenever I try to take a shot it will shoot once and beep twice. Either underpowered battery (Tried 7.4V and 11.1V Lipo, so it ain't this), bad shimmingonthe gears (Modify all stuck together gearset, not much chances), overtighten motor (tried even when unscrewing bottom motor plate to allow more play, no chance either), so the last option could be an underpowered motor... Will see after swapping this one if it helps...

Not impressed so far by the Gen 3...

EDIT 2: Still not working, shoots once and double beeps, tried a high powered magnets motor, still no chance. I wrote to airsoft system as it just doesn't want to work at all...

Trunk April 29th, 2013 09:18

ASCU Gen 3 = Junk
 
I have installed the ASCU in my G&G TR4-18 and I agree... the semi-auto trigger response is terrible! I have talked to quite a few people who are noticing the same thing. Did they not test these before sending them out? I contacted Airsoft Systems and they told me to send it back and they would reprogram it. NO! You send me a new one and I will send mine back then... I don't want to go 3 months without my gun because your product sucks! I was also told to try a better motor, but I am running the G&P 120 right now. I tried an SHS High Torque and didn't notice much of an improvement... has anyone else? What about a Systema Magnum motor?

DrTallu May 9th, 2013 14:07

ASCU problem
 
I have been repairing my friends two M4's (G&P) stubby killer/Special force (or something like that) Only thing i can say about these ASCU's... Horrible. Now i managed to get the stubby killer working, but i still got problems with the other one. The fires OK when its on semi, but when i move it to auto it stops firing. When i put it back to the semi it fires one shot when i switch Auto to Semi. I have checked wires like 50 times and they are ok. I was wondering that can the Cutoff lever cause the problem? It was firing ok some time ago but i had to open it because those crappy wires where ripped off.

Renegade) May 28th, 2013 16:48

My Gen 2 just decided to lock itself open, I cannot figure out how or why... I just replaced the motor wires, everything is pristine, the only knick in that pesky data cable has been soldered and covered.

What bugs me most, is that I plugged it in, tested it, worked 100%, rebuilt the entire gun, fired 2 shots and then it locked on, had to rip out the battery because I know what would happen next if its a short. Unit was quite warm, wires fine, no shorts. So did my unit burn out and lock on?

Anyone had this happen before?

ThunderCactus May 28th, 2013 17:02

Sometimes it just happens, electronics wear out just like everything else in life

audi_bhoy July 2nd, 2013 22:32

For all the V3 ASCU users, quote from their FB Page:

"At the moment we are preparing the Free Upgrade kits for ASCU Gen3 for gearbox v2 to Gen3+ including parts and instructions, we will prepare also a video showing how to upgrade the unit. When the kits are ready we will announce it here and on our official webpage how and from where to order them."

"ASCU Gen.3+ is out

Dear airsoft fellows, we used all the feed back we got form our customers regarding the ASCU Gen.3. The reported issues were related mainly to a lag in the Semi-Auto function, during fast follow up shots, which was the result of software monitoring of the system. Other report were regarding problems in installation especially in reinforced gearboxes. Also we found out that there is a large percentage of our customers that install the unit without reading the manual, as for different reasons main of which is that not all of our customers read English.
As devoted airsoft playes ourselves, we felt that it is out duty to improve our product to the likes, needs and skills of our customers, to make it faster, safer, easier to install, and almost impossible to burn. The result is the ASCU Gen.3+ for gearbox version 2.

What is new in Gen.3+

1. Added polymer padding to the circuit boards, protecting them from
damage during installation and use.

2. Short-circuit check software between each shot is removed and now
the Sem-Auto is as fast as one can tap the trigger.

3. New Cut-off lever and selector plate designed specially for the
ASCU.

4. No need to dremel or modify the reinforced gearboxes.
5. New thicker wires.
For all our customers who have the ASCU Gen.3 with the trigger lag, we will prepare free upgrade kits, that will transform the ASCU Gen.3 into Gen.3+. They are going to be available through our distributors and dealers.
We will keep working for you guys, doing our best to bring to the airsoft community, products that have been designed by airsoft players in the field."

Batmause August 11th, 2013 09:18

When I bought it, than work perfectly (V2.2). I loved it. After three skirmish the data calbe damaged. One of four calbe was break away so I ordered one replacement calbe from RedWolf and replaced it. It's work again, but in use the motor's negative cable was damaged. I replaced the motor cable, it went to work again. After few game the motor's pozitive connector break so I need to replace the whole cable of my ASCU. After replacing it went to work again. I could play on few games again, but my gun's gearbox damaged - the piston was break. I changed the piston and the ASCU's data cable but it didn't work.

When I connect the battery it's going to work. I hear one beep and the ECU wait for work / use. When I pull the trigger the ASCU made one cycle and stop working with two beep (sometimes it didn't give two bee fault code, just stop working). I check the manual about two beep fault code. I checked the gears, work smoothly. I checked with few battery (two of different 7.4V LiPos and with one 11.1V LiPo). I tried it with four motors (TM EG-1000, AGM High-Torque, Systema Magnum, Chao-Li Normal) but didn't work after one cycle. I tried the gearbox with the original switch and work smoothly. The programing mode is working, I can change to all four working mode

At last I tried to use the ECU without gearbox. I put together the trigger switch, MOSFET-unit and the motor - without piston and spring. It made same when I use in a complete gearbox - made one cycle and stop working.

My ASCU has absolute same problem:
Ascu problem Please Help - YouTube


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